"While it was somewhat surprising to hear the complaints about colors of the
shirts and the efforts of others on the list to apparently subvert the
efforts of Mark, it was not wholly so. "
Ouch. My apologies for wanting another colour. Just wanted a classy shirt
that I could/would wear everywhere (except the garage). After 20 years of
fun and frustration with my roadster, I still promote it and numerous
roadster websites as well as this list. I will continue to do so. I still
want a couple of shirts, Mark. I'll even see if I can get a US address to
ship to....
Again, my apologies for my part in your frustration.
Daryl
'66 1600
Vancouver, BC
----- Original Message -----
From: "sidney raper" <spl310@hotmail.com>
To: <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:36 PM
Subject: Another diatribe from Sid
> The developments on the list over the past few months concern me. We have
> lost folks for a variety of reasons. Like any list, there is always flux,
> but I have to say that some of the folks that have left the list are a
huge
> loss to the Roadster community. Mark Dent leaving would be a huge loss.
I
> sincerely hope that he reconsiders.
>
> Mark has a true love of these cars. Anyone that has ever talked to him
will
> know that immediately. He is one of the most helpful Roadster guys that I
> have ever met. I think that it is phenomenal that Mark and Charlie (as
well
> as Michael before them) put for the effort to create the calendars. Those
> years are gone, but those calendars remain with me as cherished motivators
> to help get one of my cars on the road.
>
> When I found out that shirts were in the offing, I was pretty excited. I
> never liked the run of the mill T shirts that are so common, so I never
buy
> those. (only wear T shirts to work in the yard or on the car, so they are
> not something I spend money on) Golf shirts (Polo Shirts) are a different
> matter. I think that it would be great to have a FairLady golf shirt.
All
> the better if it matches my car! I was surprised, (not overly, as I will
> explain in a minute) that there were folks on the list that had to find
> fault with the idea. This was not an effort to make money (check out the
> setup costs, embroidery costs, shirt costs and the shipping costs for such
a
> minuscule order and you can see that he would not make money) by Mark, but
> an effort to recognize the FairLady as we know and love them (sorry Edgar
> G.- yours is one of the originals, but the body changed....)
>
> While it was somewhat surprising to hear the complaints about colors of
the
> shirts and the efforts of others on the list to apparently subvert the
> efforts of Mark, it was not wholly so. As most of you know, Tim Waltz and
I
> teamed up to make up some ID tags. These are NLA from Nissan (but were
> available over the counter for years), and many cars have tags that are
butt
> ugly from being painted over, having acid spilled on them, holes drilled
in
> them and so forth. A lot of cars are missing them altogether. I thought
> that it was great that Tim and I could provide an item (esoteric yes) that
> could cap off a restoration. No sooner had we posted the note, and I
> started getting slammed by a couple of folks - off list. I was accused of
> being in collusion with car thieves and of being a felon. All of that
grief
> over some scraps of aluminum with printing on them. I can relate to
Mark's
> feeling.
>
> In the past, I used to be very free with information, advice and
> suggestions. I have grown weary of being bashed for the information that
I
> post to the list (BTW, I can verify that what I have posted is accurate
> regardless what the bashers may indicate) so I now typically reply to the
> individual - if I reply at all. I feel a bit bad in not being more forth
> coming, but it gets old being slammed for trying to help. I know that I
am
> not alone in that thought as a number of the folks that are no longer on
the
> list (and a few that still are) have commiserated with me regarding that
> very issue.
>
> I had thought of signing off of the list too. The list seems to have
> wandered away from being "about the cars" to being about personal egos and
> one-upmanship. I know that the list tends to flow from being very
technical
> (almost to the point of boring some folks) to being very social (to the
> frustration of those that lurk looking for nuggets of knowledge) and I can
> accept those flows. They are why I have stayed on as long as I have. I
> have learned a lot - and hope that I have given back as much or more. But
I
> have also been stung quite a few times.
>
> I know that I have changed the minds of some folks who were looking to
ditch
> their roadsters. That is a good feeling. I have helped folks all over
the
> world with parts from cars that I reluctantly parted out. Knowing that I
> was helping keep other cars on the road made it easier to decide to chop
the
> cars. I have put buyers and sellers together (with no benefit being
> returned to me by the way) just to keep the cars going. But the
negativity
> and the backbiting are getting very old and tiresome. I will remain on
the
> list for now and I will hope that the tide turns again. I miss those that
> have left, and welcome those that have joined - and challenge everyone on
> the list to make it the best that it can be.
>
> 'Nuff said.
>
> Sidney Raper
> 1964 1500
> 1967 SRL311 00060
> 1967 SRL311 00076
> Jacksonville Florida
> http://www.geocities.com/roadsternut/index.html
>
>
>
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