Pete Brock did the "spook" thing on his 2 liter Datsuns, probably first,
this is most likely in about 1968 or maybe 1967. Brock Yates was not a "make
a car" guy. Pete Brock was really ahead of everyone on this. We had
spoilers on our TR-6 cars, 1970 and after, but neither of these are air
dams. Air dams in > production would be a nightmare of warranty claims when
folks run into the parking cement blocks, as you know they will.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars@earthlink.net>
> To: "Bill Babcock" <Billb@bnj.com>
> Cc: <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] authenticity
>
>
>> From what I understand, Datsun 510's & 240Z's first got by [SCCA]
>> under the premise that their chin spoilers were actually brake
>> cooling enhancers and dealer sales brochures marketed them that way.
>> Brock Yates or Peter Brock? One for Myth Busters?
>> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer - Still contemplating thrust washers
>> TR4 #314
>> Albuquerque NM
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:
>>
>>> I never saw an air dam on a car until about 1972. As I recall it was a
>>> Brock Yates deal, and everyone thought he was nuts. There were some
>>> rudimentary wings and spoilers early on, but air dams are a late
>>> development of the aero age that started in the late sixties. Long
>>> after people thought about wings they figured out that the air under
>>> the car was important too.
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:55 PM, jwoesvra@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> What puzzles me about authenticity is the ban by nearly all vintage
>>>> sanctioning bodies on front air dams. It appears from historic
>>>> photos that
>>>> most production race cars in the 60s had them, and in all manner of
>>>> "styles",
>>>> from integrally designed molded fiberglass units to a square-cut
>>>> sheet of
>>>> aluminum tacked onto the face of the cowl with pop rivets.
>>>> Steve P.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>>
>>>> I believe that you have some misconceptions about dates and time
>>>> lines which
>>>> are a vital part ofB the Vintage experience. Virtually all Vintage
>>>> organizations have time lines that have historic precedents which
>>>> must be
>>>> respected.
>>>>
>>>> Rudimentary spoilers first appeared on production cars in 1969 with
>>>> the BRE
>>>> "spook". SCCA actually addressed spoilers in PCS about 1970.
>>>> Spoilers always
>>>> had to be below and between the spindle centerlines. Only in the late
>>>> seventies did the actualB airdams become permitted.
>>>>
>>>> My point is the that the statement "most cars of 60's had them" is
>>>> incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> You may very well see spoilers and airdams of the sorts you describe
>>>> in
>>>> photos. Rarely are those photos dated and it is easy for a layman to
>>>> conclude
>>>> that an 1963 MGB with an airdam is correct for Vintage Racing. That
>>>> would be
>>>> true in the post 1976 period. However, most Vintage organizations
>>>> expect MGB's
>>>> to be prepared to the pre-1972 or even pre-1967 periods.B
>>>>
>>>> As you can see, seemingly insignificant details can be significant
>>>> in the eyes
>>>> of a historian.B
>>>>
>>>> All Vintage organizations have the right and authority to specify
>>>> time lines
>>>> and periods of eligibility.
>>>>
>>>> If you are a year, month or even day past the time line, you don't
>>>> fit the
>>>> template. If you want to race MGBs, GT6s or TR6s with air dams, you
>>>> are
>>>> outside the acceptance envelope of most of the traditional
>>>> organizations. If
>>>> you want to use such a device, that is fine, just don't expect to to
>>>> be racing
>>>> against cars that are correctly prepared for the sixtiesB period.
>>>>
>>>> This may seem arbitrary, and it actually is in a sense. However, if
>>>> you wish
>>>> to participate in this arena you must respect the standards as they
>>>> are
>>>> defined and history dictates.
>>>>
>>>> Jack Woehrle
>>>>
>>>> SVRA Technical Director
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