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Re: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems

To: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen@comcast.net>, "'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@spitfire4.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:08:40 -0500
Hmmmm. My last race a couple weeks ago it was really hot so I decided to go 
out without the Nomex underwear, just the multi-layer suit. After reading 
that story I may never do that again (my previous season I did four races in 
100+ weather with full gear on -- not so bad really, especially when impound 
greets you with a cold washcloth and a cup of water).

Got no answers on cool shirts. Never tried one. But I've always made sure my 
bottom layer (regular underwear and socks under the Nomex undoes) was 100% 
cotton, not polyester. I understand the cotton layer is worth another 3-4 
seconds of protection.

Arm restraints ... me too. Always wondered why they didn't just put metal 
D-rings on them. I saw someone put the cloth loops over the ends of the 
shoulder harness, so I tried it. Didn't like it. I decided that was harder 
to get loose then when I hooked them on the lap belt. My cuffs slip on, like 
yours, and I wear them up around the elbows and will slide off easily (but 
in an emergency escape that's an extra move). Makes me wonder about the guys 
who have them sewn to their driver suits. BTW, you can get window nets that 
are a finer mesh instead of inch-wide straps.

--Rocky Entriken
  GP (okay HP now) Spitfire


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen@comcast.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: [Fot] the danger of fire and cool shirt systems


> I've been thinking about getting a Cool Shirt (water cooled shirt
> system) to keep from getting over-heated in my GT6 coupe, which I tend
> to do any time the temperature is over 65.  I read this article on the
> Miata fire, and am pondering whether, in the disastrous event of a
> fire, having water which can vaporize into steam, and/or plastic lines
> on the shirt which can melt,  near my skin is more hazardous than it's
> worth.  Has this ever been addressed - does SCCA allow these systems,
> and if so, how is it reconciled with the requirement to wear fire-
> retardant materials?
>
> On a related thought, I also use arm restraints.  One end of these
> slips over the lap belt component of the harness.  If I had to make a
> quick exit, these things basically don't just slip off, either from my
> wrists or from the belts.  Is there a better way to anchor these?  I
> don't like the idea of a window net in lieu of arm restraints because
> it blocks visibility to the side mirror.
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote:
>
> For any of you who have not seen the article about the guy in the
> Miata and
> the fire escape he made at the 25 hours race at Thunderhill -- you owe
> it to
> yourself to follow the link below and read the article and then prepare
> yourself -- I sure got a good lesson
> Chuck
>
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/fighting-fire/
>
>
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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