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Re: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes

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Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes
From: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:36:29 -0500
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Subject was "[Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers"

I think we're talking about different areas of the head.

The area Richard was talking about is between the two water holes in the head between Cyl #2 and #3.

There's a picture of my (old) head here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/DSCN0536.jpg
It pretty clearly shows this area of the head, and you can also see the lines that are the edges of where the head gasket runs.

There is no gasket surface area near that particular crack, and the other side of the water jacket (to run the pin / peg against) is far, far away, very deep into the head.

On the other hand, there is the idea of "pinning" the head when you mill a bunch off. THAT may have prevented the crack in the head which caused me to have to have a new one prepared. There's some detail about that at the bottom of this otherwise unrelated page:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Tony_Car.htm

For that, you drill and tap holes around the periphery of the combustion chamber on the opposite side from the valves, screw something through the holes against the other side of the water jacket with some threadlocker, cut them off and have the surface ground / milled smooth.

There is also a method of fixing cracks using overlapping screw-type pegs "stitching" I think it's called - that was one possible suggestion for an attempted repair of this crack:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG

There may be some value in fixing a crack between the water holes between Cylinders 2 and 3, but I'm not seeing it, and "Uncle" Jack always considered that to be a total non-issue. Cracks between the valve seats (another common problem) ARE a big deal.

Tony

At 11:17 AM 5/12/2012, Joe Alexander wrote:
TeriAnn is right.

It might be in one of Kas' books, I think.  TeriAnn's comprehensive website on
heads is back up, according to TeriAnn.  Another great resource that we have
on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status.

There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the
gasket seal.

The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw
down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush.

The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus,
methinks.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4@cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman@gmail.com>
To: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers


On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
> Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes
> is no big deal, don't worry about it.
>
Shouldn't you at least peg the crack?

Teriann
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