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Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph

To: Vince G <vangoughv@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing a Triumph
From: jkhagen@charter.net
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:28:00 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: FoT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
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Friends,  If you upgrade everything that could fail-it would not be 
vintage let alone the spirit of vintage racing.  John Hagen


On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Vince G wrote:

> Well said Bobby, I agree 100%.
> Once Im through my 3rd triumph gearbox Brutus is getting a T9 which is 
> the
> same ratio as the gt6 box just stronger.  This is not a performance 
> advantage,
> it's common sense, just as group 44 upgraded the axles on the gt6 in 
> the day
> to for reliability and safety.
>
> Aren't we all unhappy to see our fellow racers leave a race weekend 
> early due
> to mechanical failures.  I'd rather have my buddy dicing and even 
> showing me
> up than be racing alone because his car failed for reasons that could 
> have
> been prevented.
>
> IMHO
>
> Vince Garrett
> #144 GT6+ (BRUTUS)
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
>
> On 2012-10-12, at 11:23 AM, "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster@att.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> I think if you want to race these cars you have to love these cars. 
>> And,
> when
>> you mix emotion with the costs, you really have to love the 
>> opportunity to
> be at
>> speed in these cars.
>> The elixir that runs through your soul when the stars aline and 
>> you've
> really
>> hit a peak in matching the driving experience and the connection 
>> between you
> and
>> your car is toxic.
>> Modified in the spirit of vintage racing should be the thought.
>> Safety should be the #1 modification the cars have leeway with as far 
>> as
>> sanctioning rules.
>> Reliability modifications should be the #2 modification, modern 
>> gearboxes
> for
>> example.
>> Performance should be the last modification that pushes the thought 
>> of
> variance
>> to vintage spirit.
>>
>> I think all of us want to have fun with the cars and as I begin my 
>> third
> rebuild
>> in 3 years I think I have a grasp of what it takes to try to run 
>> vintage...
>> Personally I had my build booklet upfront when I joined CVAR here in 
>> Texas.
> The
>> car I purchased was built with a Toyota T50 gearbox and that was the 
>> way I
>> presented it. CVAR 'allowed' me to run 2-3 events with the idea I 
>> would put
> a
>> Triumph gearbox in the car. I had what I think most of us agree, 
>> Quantum
>> Mechanics build me a gearbox which lasted about 2 weekends... I was
> warrantied
>> with Quantum which I thought was awesome another gearbox with a 
>> modified J
> type
>> overdrive which also lasted about 4 events... warrantied again by 
>> Quantum
> with
>> exchange I had a TR6 gearbox built with close ratio gear set from 
>> England...
> in
>> the mean time I put the T50 back in the car and along with about 
>> $4000 in
>> receipts went back to CVAR and said,,, you know,,, I tried to run 
>> like you
>> wanted me to but if you want to to run consistently as a customer, 
>> I'm going
> to
>> run the T50.... no problem.
>> I know the MG guys are having a tough time with 50 year old gearboxes 
>> and
> their
>> sources gone... SOMETHING is going to have to change if these cars 
>> are going
> to
>> continue to run.
>> Personally, I don't see anything wrong with slotted brakes, four 
>> caliper
>> pistons, roll cages, Hans devices, and other safety or reliability
> efforts...
>> the racing organizations are businesses at the end of the day... 
>> those who
> are
>> not flexible in business willing to modify will not survive in any 
>> business
>> format... IMHO....
>>
>> Bobby Whitehead
>>
>> on the hunt... again.....
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