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I suspect those Remflex gaskets were made to my specs several years ago and=
were intended for a hogged out Weber flange set. They'll be very thin nea=
r the top of 3&4 if they're the ones....
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From: JIm Gray via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Drews, Tony <tony@tonydrews.com>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2015 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber tuning help please
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Thanks for the link Tony. I guess what I take away from this is when I intr=
oduce a new part to the car make sure the gaskets actually work. =20
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I always trim inside diameters to the head to remove any blockage. Since th=
e remflex gaskets were oversized at the intakes I let =20
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it get by me, the stock manifold would have covered it.I've never had an in=
take leak with the stock manifolds or any other type of intake for =20
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that matter so this one sort of caught me by surprise. Live & learn I guess=
, I won't make that mistake again. =20
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Bill nailed the cause right off the bat. I always believe the cars will try=
to tell you what's going on but it's up to us to interpret the clues =20
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they give us. Due to a limited understanding of the Webers I was looking mo=
re at the carbs as a fault than in my own assembly of the components. =20
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I was able to pick up some metal core exhaust gasket material at NAPA and a=
m having good success with a hole saw and conical grinding stone chucked =
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I'll make up some spares. =20
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I make my own from the remflex material so I can cut the intake holes small=
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http://catalog.remflex.com/COLLECTOR_CONNECTOR_Flange_Exhaust_Gasket_p/g=
s16024.htm
Good sharp knife cuts it OK. =20
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Bill,
You were right but I don=E2=80=99t have a good solution at the moment. Only=
# 3 reacted to the carb cleaner and that suprises me a bit.
I have the thick remflex gaskets in there. One side of the intake manifold =
on # 3 had barely any contact with the gasket.
The remflex and the Moss gaskets have 1-11/16=E2=80=9D inside diameter open=
ings at the intakes. My cannon manifolds are 1-7/16=E2=80=9D
and the cannon=E2=80=99s don=E2=80=99t have a lot of meat for bearing surfa=
ce around the lower area=E2=80=99s around 5 o=E2=80=99clock and 7 o=E2=80=
=99clock.
As best I can tell though it was actually leaking on # 3 at 3 o=E2=80=99clo=
ck right next to the clamp bolt.
I could actually look next to the clamp bolt and see where the gap was.
I need to either find different gaskets with a smaller ID or make my own.
Have you, or anybody had success at making their own intake/exhaust gaskets=
from regular gasket material ?
jim
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Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 1:21 PM
To: Jim Gray
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber tuning help please
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Sounds like an air leak somewhere. Perhaps it gets overcome at full throttl=
e or is worsened at those specific RPMs because of harmonics in the vibrati=
on of the carb. Might be a crack or flaw in the carb, but more likely it=E2=
=80=99s in the mounting, either O rings or some other flaw. They can be har=
d to detect and locate. You could use the carb cleaner method=C2=ADspray a =
little at each joint or suspect area and listen for changes in engine sound=
. I=E2=80=99ve used the ultrasonic detector I use for finding leaks in surf=
boards to some effect, a leak sounds like a calliope, but there=E2=80=99s a=
lot of other noise to sort it from.=20
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I just installed my webers and I=E2=80=99m running into something not co=
vered in anything I=E2=80=99ve read so far.
At cruise speed which I do on the street, 2500 -3000 RPM my exhaust gas te=
mps on # 4 are 100 plus degrees
over # 1and will climb to 1400 if I stay at that throttle setting. Under wi=
de open throttle they equalize and seem
to settle in at about 1300.
However, I think this may be symptomatic of my other issue. When I=E2=80=99=
m tuning the idle air screws, open them up until
it starts to miss & so on, I can get a predictable stumble from three out o=
f the four screws.
The screw on # 3 has no effect on the idle no matter how far I run it in or=
out.
Also , when I put my syncrometers on #=E2=80=99s 3 and 4 they are significa=
ntly different.
I=E2=80=99m not going to get my dyno tune before the first race in two week=
s so I=E2=80=99m left to figure it out on my own for now.
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Jim g
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<font color=3D'black' size=3D'2' face=3D'arial'>I suspect those Remflex gas=
kets were made to my specs several years ago and were intended for a hogged=
out Weber flange set. They'll be very thin near the top of 3&4 i=
f they're the ones....<br>
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From: JIm Gray via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: Drews, Tony <tony@tonydrews.com><br>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2015 8:53 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber tuning help please<br>
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Thanks for the link Tony. I guess what I take away from this is when I intr=
oduce a new part to the car make sure the gaskets actually work.
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I always trim inside diameters to the head to remove any blockage. Since th=
e remflex gaskets were oversized at the intakes I let
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it get by me, the stock manifold would have covered it.I've never had an in=
take leak with the stock manifolds or any other type of intake for=20
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that matter so this one sort of caught me by surprise. Live & learn I g=
uess, I won't make that mistake again.
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Bill nailed the cause right off the bat. I always believe the cars will try=
to tell you what's going on but it's up to us to interpret the clues
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they give us. Due to a limited understanding of the Webers I was looking mo=
re at the carbs as a fault than in my own assembly of the components.
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I was able to pick up some metal core exhaust gasket material at NAPA and a=
m having good success with a hole saw and conical grinding stone chucked
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in the drill press. Now that I know remflex makes their material in sheets =
I'll make up some spares.
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I make my own from the remflex material so I can cut the intake holes small=
er.
<br>
<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://catalog.remflex.com/COLLECTOR_CONNEC=
TOR_Flange_Exhaust_Gasket_p/gs16024.htm">http://catalog.remflex.com/COLLECT=
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<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; COLOR: #000080"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE: small; COLOR: #000080">Bill,<br>
You were right but I don=E2=80=99t have a good solution at the moment. Only=
# 3 reacted to the carb cleaner and that suprises me a bit.<br>
I have the thick remflex gaskets in there. One side of the intake manifold =
on # 3 had barely any contact with the gasket.<br>
The remflex and the Moss gaskets have 1-11/16=E2=80=9D inside diameter open=
ings at the intakes. My cannon manifolds are 1-7/16=E2=80=9D<br>
and the cannon=E2=80=99s don=E2=80=99t have a lot of meat for bearing surfa=
ce around the lower area=E2=80=99s around 5 o=E2=80=99clock and 7 o=E2=80=
=99clock.<br>
As best I can tell though it was actually leaking on # 3 at 3 o=E2=80=99clo=
ck right next to the clamp bolt.<br>
I could actually look next to the clamp bolt and see where the gap was.<br>
I need to either find different gaskets with a smaller ID or make my own.<b=
r>
Have you, or anybody had success at making their own intake/exhaust gaskets=
from regular gasket material ?<br>
jim<br>
<br>
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<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Bill =
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 03, 2015 1:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Gray<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Weber tuning help please<br>
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FAMILY: Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
Sounds like an air leak somewhere. Perhaps it gets overcome at full throttl=
e or is worsened at those specific RPMs because of harmonics in the vibrati=
on of the carb. Might be a crack or flaw in the carb, but more likely it=E2=
=80=99s in the mounting, either O rings or some other flaw. They can be har=
d to detect and locate. You could use the carb cleaner method=C2=ADspray a =
little at each joint or suspect area and listen for changes in engine sound=
. I=E2=80=99ve used the ultrasonic detector I use for finding leaks in surf=
boards to some effect, a leak sounds like a calliope, but there=E2=80=99s a=
lot of other noise to sort it from. <br>
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<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small">I just installed my webers and I=E2=80=
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r.<br>
At cruise speed which I do on the street, 2500 -3000 RPM my exhaust g=
as temps on # 4 are 100 plus degrees<br>
over # 1and will climb to 1400 if I stay at that throttle setting. Under wi=
de open throttle they equalize and seem<br>
to settle in at about 1300.<br>
However, I think this may be symptomatic of my other issue. When I=E2=80=99=
m tuning the idle air screws, open them up until<br>
it starts to miss & so on, I can get a predictable stumble from three o=
ut of the four screws.<br>
The screw on # 3 has no effect on the idle no matter how far I run it in or=
out.<br>
Also , when I put my syncrometers on #=E2=80=99s 3 and 4 they are significa=
ntly different.<br>
I=E2=80=99m not going to get my dyno tune before the first race in two week=
s so I=E2=80=99m left to figure it out on my own for now.<br>
Any help would be greatly appreciated,<br>
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