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Headers are a real problem for our 4 banger TRs. =20
No one makes a quality unit with a good fit in the U.S.
Most hang way below the frame.
A one piece flange is best and most are 3 piece, which makes port matching d=
ifficult. =20
I tried to buy a "tuned", equal length primaries header from Stahl. =20
I made, as he asked, an exact template of my ports and sent it to him. He s=
aid he'd make the flange from the template.
The flange he sent to test fit from my template wasn't even close. Not even=
close. He said his guy must have pulled one off the shelf.
I tried two other companies and sent them both back. =20
One was a single flange and needed a lot of grinding to make the ports match=
as well as the studs line up, but hung at least an inch and a half below th=
e frame of my car. Nothing else hangs below the frame on my car.
In the end, a friend found a 35 year old NOS 4 into 1 header that was sittin=
g in someone's garage.
I cut the collector off and welded on a good 2.25" slip fit collector.
Damn Headers!
Good luck,
Dave H.
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 18, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Jim Gray <toodamnfunky@comcast.net> wrote:
>=20
> Mike,
> I bought the stahl header jig for the TR4 and Richard already owned the TR=
6 jig they had.
> I completely stripped the Stahl jig as there was nothing about it I liked.=
> I can=E2=80=99t get back to making any headers until fall.
> jim g
> =20
> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Deweerd
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:57 PM
> To: Dan Forgey
> Cc: Triumph List; triumph fot
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Headers (Again)
> =20
> Dan
> I got into a discussion with ???"someone"???? at Summit point who told me t=
hat ???"another someone" ??? Had bought the tooling and design from Stahl fo=
r the TR4s ..... I wish I could remember who it was that was telling me this=
and who it was that bought it from Stahl .....hopefully someone will chime i=
n ......someone with a better memory then me :)=20
> It may have been Richard Good ???
> =20
> Anyway I purchased a stahl header just before they retired and had quite t=
he fitting issues as well ...in Stahl's defence my head is milled down so th=
e flange hit the block but the flange was also too big for my intake to fit a=
nd the bolt holes didn't line up to the head..... a slight massage of the fr=
ame and it fit passed the frame but I ended up welding the inside of the tub=
es do I could remove enough material to fit the intake :(=20
> Good luck=20
> Cheers Mike=20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On Jul 18, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Dan Forgey <cofrog@q.com> wrote:
>> Headers on my TR4A race car have been a pain. Ones that came with the ca=
r were the stuff from the big three. Bought Stahl headers that wouldn't cle=
ar the lower A-arm mount and had other fitment issues.=20
>> =20
>> So had some custom one's made at Hank's Hot Rods in Colorado who is invol=
ved with NASA. He quoted me about $600 and I let him have the Stahl headers=
and car with instructions to make some with basic design of the Stahl heade=
rs that would fit. When done the price was 2.5 times the quote, nowhere nea=
r the design of the Stahls and showed shoddy workmanship. Don't go there! On=
ly good part on the was the correct size flange I got from Mordy Dunst.
>> =20
>> The shoddy swordsmanship has caught up with me after doing repairs in the=
past and there is an unrepairable hole where the #4 tube is entering the co=
llector. =20
>> =20
>> Chris Marx has recommended a Phoenix stainless steel racing header that h=
e has used with success. Haven't been able to find this (yet). However foun=
d these; http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RF4075. Has anyone used them o=
r have an opinion? I'd be tempted to try Ken Gillander's headers but he is i=
ndisposed at this time.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Headers are a real problem for our 4 b=
anger TRs. </div><div>No one makes a quality unit with a good fit in t=
he U.S.</div><div>Most hang way below the frame.</div><div>A one piece flang=
e is best and most are 3 piece, which makes port matching difficult. <=
/div><div>I tried to buy a "tuned", equal length primaries header from Stahl=
. </div><div>I made, as he asked, an exact template of my ports and se=
nt it to him. He said he'd make the flange from the template.</div><di=
v>The flange he sent to test fit from my template wasn't even close. N=
ot even close. He said his guy must have pulled one off the shelf.</di=
v><div>I tried two other companies and sent them both back. </div><div=
>One was a single flange and needed a lot of grinding to make the ports matc=
h as well as the studs line up, but hung at least an inch and a half below t=
he frame of my car. Nothing else hangs below the frame on my car.</div=
><div>In the end, a friend found a 35 year old NOS 4 into 1 header that was s=
itting in someone's garage.</div><div>I cut the collector off and welded on a=
good 2.25" slip fit collector.</div><div>Damn Headers!</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Good luck,</div><div>Dave H.</div><div><br></div><div><br>Sent from my i=
Pad</div><div><br>On Jul 18, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Jim Gray <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:toodamnfunky@comcast.net">toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br><=
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tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I bought the stahl header jig for the T=
R4 and
Richard already owned the TR6 jig they had. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I completely stripped the Stahl jig as
there was nothing about it I liked. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I can=E2=80=99t get back to making any
headers until fall.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2"=
face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Fot
[<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>] <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">On Behalf
Of </span></b>Mike Deweerd<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 18, 2015=
2:57
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Dan Forgey<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Triumph List; triumph fot=
<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Damn Heade=
rs
(Again)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Dan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">I got into a discussion with ???"someone"???? at <st1:city w:st=3D"o=
n"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Summit</st1:place></st1:city> point who told me
that ???"another someone" ??? Had bought the tooling and design from
Stahl for the TR4s ..... I wish I could remember who it was that was telling=
me
this and who it was that bought it from Stahl .....hopefully someone will ch=
ime
in ......someone with a better memory then me :) <o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">It may have been Richard Good ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Anyway I purchased a stahl header just before they retired and had
quite the fitting issues as well ...in Stahl's defence my head is milled dow=
n
so the flange hit the block but the flange was also too big for my intake to=
fit and the bolt holes didn't line up to the head..... a slight massage of t=
he
frame and it fit passed the frame but I ended up welding the inside of the t=
ubes
do I could remove enough material to fit the intake :( <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Good luck <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=
=3D"font-size:
12.0pt">Cheers Mike <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jul 18, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Dan Forgey <<a href=3D"mailto:cofrog@q.com";>=
cofrog@q.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" type=3D"cite">
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" color=3D"black" face=3D"Times New Ro=
man"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Headers on my TR4A race ca=
r have been a
pain. Ones that came with the car were the stuff from the big three.
Bought Stahl headers that wouldn't clear the lower A-arm mount and had=
other fitment issues. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" color=3D"black" face=3D"Times New Ro=
man"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></=
font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" color=3D"black" face=3D"Times New Ro=
man"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">So had some custom one's m=
ade at Hank's
Hot Rods in <st1:state w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Colorado</st1:plac=
e></st1:state>
who is involved with NASA. He quoted me about $600 and I let him have t=
he
Stahl headers and car with instructions to make some with basic design of th=
e
Stahl headers that would fit. When done the price was 2.5 times the
quote, nowhere near the design of the Stahls and showed shoddy workmanship.
Don't go there! Only good part on the was the correct size flange I got from=
Mordy Dunst.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" color=3D"black" face=3D"Times New Ro=
man"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></=
font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" color=3D"black" face=3D"Times New Ro=
man"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The shoddy swordsmanship h=
as caught up
with me after doing repairs in the past and there is an unrepairable hole wh=
ere
the #4 tube is entering the collector. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" color=3D"black" face=3D"Times New Ro=
man"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></=
font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" color=3D"black" face=3D"Times New Ro=
man"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Chris Marx has recommended=
a <st1:city w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:cit=
y> stainless steel
racing header that he has used with success. Haven't been able to find this
(yet). However found these; <a href=3D"http://www.rimmerbros.co.u=
k/Item--i-RF4075">http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RF4075</a>.
Has anyone used them or have an opinion? I'd be tempted to try K=
en
Gillander's headers but he is indisposed at this time.<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
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