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Actually that motor, which came out of the Ambro 001, is going into a =
TR3 I=E2=80=99m building for the street, unless I go nuts and turn it =
into an electric. If I do that somewhat silly thing I=E2=80=99ll make a =
spare race motor out of the Ambro motor and give your cam a whirl. The =
Ambro motor was a very mild race motor that Uncle Jack built per =
instructions of Doug Karon, the previous owner. Nice motor, but not what =
I want for the Ambro once I get back to building it. In the meantime the =
body makes a great wall hanging in my shop.=20
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com> wrote:
>=20
> Bill, I believe you had a 298D cam that was in an engine from uncle =
jack, but you told me you were not going to run it. That was a few =
years ago. Someone on the list will probably want it if you don't. I'll =
send you the cam card. It should be run with 0 to 4 degrees advance and =
a valve lash of 0.015.
>=20
> Steve Long sent me the specs of all the Erson cams, so the numbers on =
my website should be accurate. Steve will grind whatever lobe =
separation you want, so you can't use lobe separation to identify his =
cams. The Erson 23 should have similar lift, but a lot more duration =
than my 298D cam.
>=20
> Cam timing is confusing because the scales on the degree wheels run =
one way then another. I often subtract when I should add, because of the =
scale direction. I'd prefer a scale that runs from 0 to 360. I have a =
couple of Excel spreadsheets you can download from my website that might =
help with some of this. The one for timing is confusing because of the =
conversions of all the degree wheel readings.
>=20
> Larry
>=20
> www.TildenTechnologies.com <http://www.tildentechnologies.com/>
>=20
>=20
> On 6/14/2016 12:46 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:
>> Searching around on the web, it kind of looks like a TilTech 298Dx, =
but I don=E2=80=99t recall buying a cam from Larry and Tony Garmey =
doesn=E2=80=99t think so either. I could just set it up as if it were, =
but it would be good to know.
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Oh, and the lift is .372
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> I=E2=80=99m building a new motor for Peyote from the bits of it=E2=80=
=99s previous engine. I discovered the front main bearing cap was =
cracked in half when I decided to freshen the motor. I=E2=80=99ll work =
on replacing the cap later=E2=80=94maybe get a billet one made, but in =
the meantime I=E2=80=99ve run into a minor problem. I don=E2=80=99t know =
for sure what cam I have or how it should be set. Tony Garmey says =
it=E2=80=99s a BFE cam, but I can=E2=80=99t find any specs for those and =
can=E2=80=99t get ahold of Ken.
>>>>=20
>>>> I ballparked where I think the cam might want to be and got this =
for measurements:
>>>>=20
>>>> Reading the Intake and exhaust valve movement from the spring =
retainers I use 0.033=E2=80=9D as the open/close height which is =
.050/1.45 which as I recall is the ratio of the stock rockers=E2=80=9D
>>>> Intake open .033 @ 36 BTC
>>>> Intaake close .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC
>>>> Exhaust open .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC
>>>> Exhaust close .033=E2=80=9D @ 42 ATC
>>>>=20
>>>> By my calculations that gives:
>>>> Intake duration 292.0 degrees
>>>> Exhaust duration 298 degrees
>>>> Intake lobe center 110.0 ATC
>>>> Exhaust lobe center 107 BTC
>>>> Overlap 78
>>>> Lobe separation angle 108.5
>>>>=20
>>>> Pretty sure this isn=E2=80=99t exactly where it needs to be. I have =
a vernier sprocket so I can adjust the timing precisely. My questions =
are:
>>>>=20
>>>> What cam is this?
>>>> Where should it be set?
>>>> How much advance?
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Actually that motor, which came out of the Ambro 001, is =
going into a TR3 I=E2=80=99m building for the street, unless I go nuts =
and turn it into an electric. If I do that somewhat silly thing I=E2=80=99=
ll make a spare race motor out of the Ambro motor and give your cam a =
whirl. The Ambro motor was a very mild race motor that Uncle Jack built =
per instructions of Doug Karon, the previous owner. Nice motor, but not =
what I want for the Ambro once I get back to building it. In the =
meantime the body makes a great wall hanging in my shop. <div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Jun 17, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Larry Young <<a =
href=3D"mailto:cartravel@pobox.com"; class=3D"">cartravel@pobox.com</a>>=
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span=
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">Bill, I believe you had a 298D cam that was in =
an engine from uncle jack, but you told me you were not going to run it. =
That was a few years ago. Someone on the list will probably want =
it if you don't. I'll send you the cam card. It should be =
run with 0 to 4 degrees advance and a valve lash of 0.015.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
inline !important;" class=3D"">Steve Long sent me the specs of all the =
Erson cams, so the numbers on my website should be accurate. Steve =
will grind whatever lobe separation you want, so you can't use lobe =
separation to identify his cams. The Erson 23 should have similar lift, =
but a lot more duration than my 298D cam.</span><br style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
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normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D"">Cam timing is confusing because the scales on =
the degree wheels run one way then another. I often subtract when I =
should add, because of the scale direction. I'd prefer a scale =
that runs from 0 to 360. I have a couple of Excel spreadsheets you =
can download from my website that might help with some of this. =
The one for timing is confusing because of the conversions of all =
the degree wheel readings.</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
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float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">On 6/14/2016 12:46 =
PM, Bill Babcock wrote:</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
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start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">Searching around on the web, it kind of looks like a TilTech =
298Dx, but I don=E2=80=99t recall buying a cam from Larry and Tony =
Garmey doesn=E2=80=99t think so either. I could just set it up as if it =
were, but it would be good to know.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Jun 14, 2016, at =
10:40 AM, Bill Babcock <<a href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">ponobill@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Oh, and the lift is .372<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Jun 14, 2016, at =
10:11 AM, Bill Babcock <<a href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">ponobill@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m building a new motor for Peyote from the bits of =
it=E2=80=99s previous engine. I discovered the front main bearing cap =
was cracked in half when I decided to freshen the motor. I=E2=80=99ll =
work on replacing the cap later=E2=80=94maybe get a billet one made, but =
in the meantime I=E2=80=99ve run into a minor problem. I don=E2=80=99t =
know for sure what cam I have or how it should be set. Tony Garmey =
says it=E2=80=99s a BFE cam, but I can=E2=80=99t find any specs for =
those and can=E2=80=99t get ahold of Ken.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I =
ballparked where I think the cam might want to be and got this for =
measurements:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Reading the Intake and =
exhaust valve movement from the spring retainers I use 0.033=E2=80=9D as =
the open/close height which is .050/1.45 which as I recall is the ratio =
of the stock rockers=E2=80=9D<br class=3D"">Intake open .033 @ 36 BTC<br =
class=3D"">Intaake close .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC<br class=3D"">Exhaust =
open .033=E2=80=9D @ 76 ABC<br class=3D"">Exhaust close .033=E2=80=9D @ =
42 ATC<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">By my calculations that gives:<br =
class=3D"">Intake duration 292.0 degrees<br class=3D"">Exhaust duration =
298 degrees<br class=3D"">Intake lobe center 110.0 ATC<br =
class=3D"">Exhaust lobe center 107 BTC<br class=3D"">Overlap 78<br =
class=3D"">Lobe separation angle 108.5<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Pretty=
sure this isn=E2=80=99t exactly where it needs to be. I have a vernier =
sprocket so I can adjust the timing precisely. My questions are:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">What cam is this?<br class=3D"">Where should =
it be set?<br class=3D"">How much advance?<br =
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