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Marty, I experienced low to no oil pressure at idle on my 4A street car =
several years ago, and what fixed it for me was new rod bearings and =
mostly I think was a close inspection of the oil pump and maintaining =
those clearances. So new rotor assembly and a careful removal of all of =
the scratches and worn areas of the bottom plate on the pump where the =
rotors set. Emery paper and a flat piece of glass and a lot of hand work =
getting it flat. I am assuming the oil pump is similar to a 4a pump in =
it=E2=80=99s construction. Many highway miles later hot idle is 30 or =
above and at 3000 rpm it=E2=80=99s been a steady 65 to 70 pounds. Maybe =
look there if you haven't already done so.
JVV
From: Brian Schirano=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:12 AM
To: 'marty' ; FOT List=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pressure Conundrum
Marty, I think Peter is right. The GT motor I am about to rebuild had =
similar symptoms. Great pressure cold, 75-80, then dropping to 20-25 hot =
at idle, sometimes less and I had to keep RPMs up to ensure lubrication. =
Uppon teardown, I had a a couple of big end rod bearings showing some =
copper, and others indicating wear also, all on the compression stroke =
side (opposite side of oil journal). Mains were all OK. I run street =
Mobil One 15-50, but think I will change after rebuild.
Would welcome a few race oil opinions from FOT
Best
Brian
26A GT6+, 28 TR6
Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=20
BSchirano@yahoo.com
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From: Peter Vucinic <pvucinic@netspace.net.au>
To: 'marty' <trmarty@hotmail.com>; 'FOT' <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Pressure Conundrum
Marty,
Sounds like some of the bearings clearances are larger than they should =
be and you are losing oil pressure as the oil warms up and starts =
leaking through the journal(s) faster once you are at operating temps.=20
If you are running an aggressive cam profile and/or high valve spring =
rates? This will adversely affect cam bearing wear for sure.
"You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started =
With A Lage Fortune!"
Kind Regards
Peter Vucinic
TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII
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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 4:09 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Oil Pressure Conundrum
=20
I could use some opinions. Some history. Spitfire small journal 1296 =
engine, rebuilt 6 race weekends ago included all new bearings. I tore it =
down this spring to check it over prior to last weekend PVGP event. Cam =
and crank end floats were to spec. Rod and main bearings checked between =
.002 and .003 clearance. I do not have the actual numbers in front of me =
at the present. Cam bearings appeared to have some slight visual wear at =
the bottoms but I did not actually measure them. I run Brad Pen 20W50. =
Oil temps run 210 and water temps run 190. EGT are 1200/1250 range on =
track. I was fighting low oil pressure at running temps all weekend. =
Once my oil temps come up on track the pressure drops down to 35psi. If =
I add enough springs to the pressure relief valve I see over 125 psi =
cold so I am thinking my pump is putting out enough pressure. I tried =
shimming to get 50/60 cold at idle and it drops to 35 at operating temps =
at 7000 rpm. I tried a new pressure gage over the weekend and the =
numbers did not change. I am currently running an auxiliary oil line to =
the head, I removed it at one point over the weekend and it had no =
effect. I tried a new pressure relief valve assy and it had no effect. =
I believe this situation actually started a season ago because I added a =
washer to the pressure relief valve last season. I=E2=80=99m thinking =
it most likely is cam bearing wear even though all the bearings were =
fresh 6 events ago. Any guidance? One thing I did learn this weekend is =
my accusump pressure gage is incorrect. It was reading about 30 psi =
higher that my dash gage. I was thinking it was probably correct and my =
dash gage was wrong until I replaced my electric dash gage with a =
mechanical gage and its reading matched the gage I just disconnected. =
Oil pressure readings are taken at the port below the distributer.=20
Side note. Car ran awesome. I ran a 2.22 at PittRace Sunday and that was =
6 seconds faster than my previous best lap there.=20
Thanks,
Marty=20
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<DIV>Marty, I experienced low to no oil pressure at idle on my 4A =
street=20
car several years ago, and what fixed it for me was new rod bearings and =
mostly=20
I think was a close inspection of the oil pump and maintaining those =
clearances.=20
So new rotor assembly and a careful removal of all of the scratches and =
worn=20
areas of the bottom plate on the pump where the rotors set. Emery paper =
and a=20
flat piece of glass and a lot of hand work getting it flat. I am =
assuming the=20
oil pump is similar to a 4a pump in it=E2=80=99s construction. Many =
highway miles later=20
hot idle is 30 or above and at 3000 rpm it=E2=80=99s been a steady 65 to =
70 pounds.=20
Maybe look there if you haven't already done so.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:12 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dtrmarty@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:trmarty@hotmail.com";>'marty'</A> ; <A =
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The GT motor=20
I am about to rebuild had similar symptoms. Great pressure cold, 75-80, =
then=20
dropping to 20-25 hot at idle, sometimes less and I had to keep RPMs up =
to=20
ensure lubrication. Uppon teardown, I had a a couple of big end rod =
bearings=20
showing some copper, and others indicating wear also, all on the =
compression=20
stroke side (opposite side of oil journal). Mains were all OK. I run =
street=20
Mobil One 15-50, but think I will change after rebuild.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><SPAN id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1468327401121_163255>Would =
welcome a few race=20
oil opinions from FOT</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1468327401121_163374> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1468327401121_163739>Best</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1468327401121_163760>Brian<BR></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1468327401121_163376> </DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1468327401121_163378>26A GT6+, 28 =
TR6</DIV></DIV>Brian=20
Schirano<BR>585-305-0349 Cell <BR>BSchirano@yahoo.com</DIV>
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<pvucinic@netspace.net.au><BR><B><SPAN=20
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'FOT' <fot@autox.team.net> <BR><B><SPAN=20
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<DIV class=3Dyiv0474239424MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
11pt">Sounds like some=20
of the bearings clearances are larger than they should be and you are =
losing oil=20
pressure as the oil warms up and starts leaking through the journal(s) =
faster=20
once you are at operating temps. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv0474239424MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If =
you are=20
running an aggressive cam profile and/or high valve spring rates? This =
will=20
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<DIV class=3Dyiv0474239424MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Kind =
Regards</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv0474239424MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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Vucinic</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv0474239424MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">TR4 =
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6 race=20
weekends ago included all new bearings. I tore it down this spring to =
check it=20
over prior to last weekend PVGP event. Cam and crank end floats were to =
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Rod and main bearings checked between .002 and .003 clearance. I do not =
have the=20
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slight visual wear at the bottoms but I did not actually measure them. I =
run=20
Brad Pen 20W50. Oil temps run 210 and water temps run 190. EGT are =
1200/1250=20
range on track. I was fighting low oil pressure at running temps all =
weekend.=20
Once my oil temps come up on track the pressure drops down to 35psi. If =
I add=20
enough springs to the pressure relief valve I see over 125 psi cold so I =
am=20
thinking my pump is putting out enough pressure. I tried shimming to get =
50/60=20
cold at idle and it drops to 35 at operating temps at 7000 rpm. I tried =
a new=20
pressure gage over the weekend and the numbers did not change. I am =
currently=20
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over the=20
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and it=20
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thinking it most likely is cam bearing wear even though all the bearings =
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my=20
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higher=20
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gage was=20
wrong until I replaced my electric dash gage with a mechanical gage and =
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