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Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Engine Break-in Questions
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:44:58 -0400
Amici...


When I was a teenager, I remember two adults discussing this engine break-in 
issue concerning for a new street car.  One insisted it was critical to go no 
faster than 35 mph for the first 1,800 miles, then go no faster than 50 mph 
until 2,500 miles.  The other said that's the way you make your car into a 
'sheepish dog'.  He said if you wanted the car to be quick and responsive, you 
needed to give it some angry miles per hour early on.  He swore the most 
important thing was NOT driving it at one speed for any length of time.  Go 
fast, then slow, go fast then slow.  I just listened.


You should hear what they said about handling your Honeymoon.


Bill Dentinger





-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox. team. net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2018 6:30 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Engine Break-in Questions



My piston manufacturer says about braking in:
Put the pistons in, and then drive the car to pole.
 
Means: Reckless driving from the first second.
 
Cheers
Chris
 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- 
via Fot
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. August 2018 10:20
An: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Engine Break-in Questions

 

 

Probably much more horsepower is lost by being too kind on a fresh engine than 
by running it at full throttle too soon;

Marcel



Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Aan: paulricco at att.net, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Zaterdag 25 augustus 2018 23:33:25
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Engine Break-in Questions

 



The short version, rings flex.


Piston pushes ring up, it's flat and against the lower face of the groove. Gas 
pressure charge travels through the side gap on top past the upper face of the 
ring and gets behind it right before TDC @ ignition point.

At that point the ring flexes and seals the top and lower faces of the ring 
against the groove faces, and the charge is trapped behind the ring; this is 
for pressure retention & max ring expansion. When the piston starts to go down, 
the ring flexes back flat against the upper groove face and loses the charge 
behind it and relaxes a bit.

Repeat this every combustion stroke.


The above is with power on.


On closed throttle (decell), there's a vacuum on top of the piston so there is 
not a pressure charge to fully expand the ring, so it doesn't flex the same.


This flexing of the ring will give it a very very slightly ) face as a result, 
it's not perfectly flat.


So ring seating isn't just to to get the initial "burnishing" of ring/cylinder 
wall, it also establishes the profile of the ring face for the best seal under 
both full open and full closed throttle.

It's all in the ring FLEX!

This is also why ring side clearance is so critical, I scrap more pistons for 
this being out of spec than for any other reason, especially if the engine was 
running rich.


My break-in routine is-


Initial start, run to temp, 1 maybe 2 heat cycles, retorque & check all.

(If new cam, 15-20 minute @ 2k rpm)

No excessive running beyond cam break-in and basic tuning with no load!


On track, 2-3 warm-up laps @ part throttle, vary RPM 4-5k, use some engine 
braking.


2-3 more laps with more throttle and engine braking, same rpm.


2-3 more laps using full throttle, maybe 85-90% revs, and intentional repeated 
HEAVY engine braking from WOT in top gear.

After that I usually do a retorque and follow-up; next time out should be good 
to go. 

This open/closed throttle running subjects the rings to the loads that it will 
have under normal operation.

HTH

Glen


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 25, 2018 1:30 pm
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Engine Break-in Questions

FOT, Good afternoon and we hope everyone is having a great weekend. We have a 
couple questions for those who have had experience and success building TR4 
race engines. The information might be helpful others on the forum as well. 1. 
We have seen a few different recommendations for initial run-in. They seem to 
range from 5 minutes to 20 minutes at approximately 2000 RPM?s. How long and 
how many RPM?s are people running them for? 2. How long are people leaving the 
break-in oil in the motor? a. Are people taking out the break in oil right 
after the run-in and replacing it with regular oil before leaving for the 
track? b. Are people running a few sessions under load at the track with it in 
and then switching? c. Something else? If so, what are you having success with? 
Again, we are really gearing the questions towards race engines due to 
complication of breaking in the race motors at the track with limited time and 
the track session schedules. We are trying to avoid re-starting the entire 
referendum up on oil brands again, so we apologize if we do. We are really 
trying to get to how people are breaking-in the TR4 motors successfully. Thank 
you for considering my questions, Paul Ricco 
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