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Oddly I have not encountered many issues with oil leakage at the brake ring
joints, certainly no serious leaks. Although I can appreciate the logic
related the concept of the joint at the brake ring opening up "under
braking" as a consequence of the "structural" issues mentioned on the BN2
on gearboxes I very much doubt that the inertia of the engine and gearbox
when applied through the rubber bushes of the tie rod would be sufficient
to actually stretch the 2 lower studs (or perhaps more correctly pull the
threads out of the overdrive case) and distort the rear housing flange
containing the other 4 studs.
I should also add that this does not explain the leakage issues experienced
by Bill with his BN1 as the engine restraint (tie rod) on the BN1 is
located on the gearbox/overdrive adapter plate.
It is interesting that adding a sealant channel and using silicone sealant
resolved the problem for Andy but IMHO the real cause may not yet have been
identified.
Michael S
BN1 #174
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:08 AM, David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On 11/5/2016 8:03 PM, David Porter wrote:
>
> I use Yamabond. For sealing Al motorcycle engines. I like it. DaveP
>
> On 11/5/2016 3:01 PM, Roger Grace wrote:
>
> Sorry to reopen this, but have this same leak in my BJ8 OD and fixing it
> is one of my Winter projects.
> Given that the black sealant stuff that was used before didn=E2=80=99t la=
st (have
> no idea how long ago or what it is) and that there is no oil pressure on
> the joint, am sensitive to using what is the appropriate goo that will la=
st
> and contain the oil.
> Have done some checking around and the Hylomar universal blue is used by
> some shops that fix OD=E2=80=99s.
> Overdrive Services (ex Laycock people in UK) tell me that the originals
> were sealed with a product called Wellseal.
> Nowadays they use a Wurth sealant that mentions flange mating in its
> website blurb.
> BTW they said that they could supply me with a gasket for this joint that
> seems like a good idea ?
>
> The reality is that these are 2 Al flanges that are mated without a
> gasket. I wonder why ?. Plan to do some careful flatness checking when ha=
ve
> my hands on them. Has anyone had a problem with the mating flatness ? d=
o
> they have a tendency to warp over the years and maybe abuse too ? given t=
he
> shape not easy to machine flat - why do they leak ?
>
> Comments/ideas please.
> rg
>
>
> *From:* David Porter
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:15 AM
> *To:* Bob Spidell ; John Spaur
> *Cc:* healeys
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>
>
> seems like any RTV that is oil compliant will work. There is no internal
> pressure that will force oil out. The oil level in the OD is just above t=
he
> operating shaft level, hence the need for the o-rings on the shaft.
>
> DaveP adding to the wisdom....
>
> On 10/26/2016 7:40 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:
>
> Soooooooo ... both types of Hylomar WILL seal the joint?
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"John Spaur" mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net
> *To: *"WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com, "healeys"
> mailto:healeys@autox.team.net
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:27:53 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>
>
> In my experiences neither of the two types Hylomar will not seal that
> joint.
>
>
>
> John Spaur
>
> San Jose
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *WI=
LLIAM
> B LAWRENCE
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:26 PM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Overdrive Question
>
>
>
> =E2=80=A6disassembly of the OD because it is seeping oil at the clutch ri=
ng.
> There are no gaskets, but I would like to smear some Hylomar on the joint
> faces to stop the leak.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Oddly I have not encountered many issues =
with oil leakage at the brake ring joints, certainly no serious leaks. Alth=
ough I can appreciate the logic related the concept of the joint at the bra=
ke ring opening up "under braking" as a consequence of the "=
structural" issues mentioned on the BN2 on gearboxes I very much doubt=
that the inertia of the engine and gearbox when applied through the rubber=
bushes of the tie rod would be sufficient to actually stretch the 2 lower =
studs (or perhaps more correctly pull the threads out of the overdrive case=
) and distort the rear housing flange containing the other 4 studs.=C2=A0 <=
br>I should also add that this does not explain the leakage issues experien=
ced by Bill with his=20
BN1 as the engine restraint (tie rod) on the BN1 is located on the=20
gearbox/overdrive adapter plate.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">It is interestin=
g that adding a sealant channel and using silicone sealant resolved the pro=
blem for Andy but IMHO the real cause may not yet have been identified.<br>=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,s=
ans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BN1 #174<br>=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Su=
n, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:08 AM, David Porter <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:frogeye@porterscustom.com" target=3D"_blank">frogeye@porterscustom.com=
</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"HOEn=
Zb"><div class=3D"h5">
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=20
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<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
<p><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class=3D"m_623028480566057600moz-cite-prefix">On 11/5/2016 8:03 PM=
, David Porter
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<p>I use Yamabond. For sealing Al motorcycle engines. I like it.
DaveP<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class=3D"m_623028480566057600moz-cite-prefix">On 11/5/2016 3:01 =
PM, Roger Grace
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
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COLOR:#000000">
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l;DISPLAY:inline">
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'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000">
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RATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#00000=
0;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">
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AMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000">
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T-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:=
#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;=
FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000">
<div>Sorry to reopen
this, but have this
same leak in my BJ8 OD
and fixing it is one
of my Winter projects.</d=
iv>
<div>Given that the
black sealant stuff
that was used before
didn=E2=80=99t last (have=
no
idea how long ago or
what it is) and that
there is no oil
pressure on the joint,
am sensitive to using
what is the
appropriate goo that
will last and contain
the oil.</div>
<div>Have done some
checking around and
the Hylomar universal
blue is used by some
shops that fix OD=E2=80=
=99s.</div>
<div>Overdrive Services
(ex Laycock people in
UK) tell me that the
originals were sealed
with a product called
Wellseal.</div>
<div>Nowadays they use a
Wurth sealant that
mentions flange mating
in its website blurb.</di=
v>
<div>BTW they said that
they could supply me
with a gasket for this
joint that seems like
a good idea ?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>The reality is that
these are 2 Al flanges
that are mated without
a gasket. I wonder why
?. Plan to do some
careful flatness
checking when have my
hands on them.=C2=A0 Has
anyone had a problem
with the mating
flatness ?=C2=A0 do they
have a tendency to
warp over the years
and maybe abuse too ?
given the shape not
easy to machine flat -
why do they leak ?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Comments/ideas
please.</div>
<div>rg</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:sma=
ll;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;=
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ahoma">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUN=
D:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b>
<a title=3D"frogeye=
@porterscustom.com">David Porter</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b>
Wednesday,
October 26, 2016
7:15 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a ti=
tle=3D"bspidell@comcast.net">Bob Spidell</a> ; <a title=3D"jmsdarch@sbcglob=
al.net">John Spaur</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a ti=
tle=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">healeys</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Healeys]
Overdrive
Question</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:sma=
ll;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;=
COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">
<p>seems like any RTV
that is oil
compliant will work.
There is no internal
pressure that will
force oil out. The
oil level in the OD
is just above the
operating shaft
level, hence the
need for the o-rings
on the shaft.</p>
<p>DaveP adding to the
wisdom....<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class=3D"m_623028480=
566057600moz-cite-prefix">On
10/26/2016 7:40 AM,
Bob Spidell wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"=
>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE=
:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:arial;COLOR:#000000">
<div>Soooooooo ...
both types of
Hylomar WILL
seal the joint?</di=
v>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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ZE:12pt;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;FONT-WE=
IGHT:normal;COLOR:#000;FONT-STYLE:normal"><b>From:
</b>"John Spau=
r"
<a class=3D"m_62302=
8480566057600moz-txt-link-rfc2396E">mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</a><br>
<b>To: </b>"WI=
LLIAM
B LAWRENCE" <a=
class=3D"m_623028480566057600moz-txt-link-rfc2396E">mailto:YNOTINK@msn.com=
</a>,
"healeys"=
<a class=3D"m_623028480566057600moz-txt-link-rfc2396E">mailto:healeys@auto=
x.team.net</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesda=
y,
October 25, 2016
8:27:53 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[Healeys]
Overdrive
Question<br>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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028480566057600WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri",sans-se=
rif;COLOR:#1f497d">In my
experiences
neither of the
two types
Hylomar will
not seal that
joint.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri",sans-se=
rif;COLOR:#1f497d"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri",sans-se=
rif;COLOR:#1f497d">John
Spaur</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri",sans-se=
rif;COLOR:#1f497d">San
Jose</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNo=
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ibri",sans-serif">
Healeys [<a class=
=3D"m_623028480566057600moz-txt-link-freetext">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox=
.<wbr>team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>WILLIAM
B LAWRENCE<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Sunday,
October 23,
2016 8:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a cla=
ss=3D"m_623028480566057600moz-txt-link-abbreviated">healeys@autox.team.net<=
/a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Healeys]
Overdrive
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<p><span style=3D=
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<span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri",sans-serif;COLOR:black">disa=
ssembly of the OD
because it is
seeping oil at
the clutch
ring. There
are no
gaskets, but I
would like to
smear some
Hylomar on the
joint faces to
stop the leak.
</span></p>
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