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Re: [Healeys] Oil Pumps

To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pumps
From: Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 17:28:15 +0000
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Thread-topic: [Healeys] Oil Pumps
Sports and Classics still there in Stamford,ct
I get eMails from the every week or so. They have a lot of old New OEM parts.

Regards,
Richard C


> On Dec 30, 2019, at 22:48, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Correction: Sintering does not actually melt the metal--in this case 
> iron--but uses heat and compression to form shapes.
> 
>> On 12/30/2019 7:58 PM, Bob Spidell wrote:
>> [If this is a double-post please disregard, my mail server is acting weird]
>> 
>> Well, this is distressing.  Using the Torrington thrust bearing would spare 
>> the thrust plate, but you'd still get the wear on the gears and stretched 
>> timing chain, no?  Given this, and the alleged problems with their 'constant 
>> clearance worm' steering box I'm beginning to wonder what's up with DWM/R.  
>> They race, they have fancy new CNC machines and appear to be profitable; why 
>> would they be offering (possibly) defective parts (and advice)?
>> 
>> My dad and I rebuilt my BJ8's engine at about 80K miles; I bought most of 
>> the parts from Sports&Classics in CT--they still around?--and I bought 
>> whatever pump they were selling.  I always assumed since it was for a BJ8 it 
>> was the gear type, but when I rebuilt the engine again a couple years ago I 
>> disassembled the pump; it was the vane type!  I had some wear on the pump 
>> driveshaft, but it held up for 120K miles, and I'll likely not put more than 
>> a few thousand on the new engine/pump in my remaining years.  I'm also 
>> re-thinking my use of 20W-50 oil (but I have 3 dozen qts. so ...).
>> 
>> I know of a problem with aircraft engine oil pumps with 'sintered' gears; I 
>> believe this is a method of producing the gears by basically melting iron 
>> powder in a mold, anybody know if the gear-type Healey pumps use sintered 
>> gears?
>> 
>>> On 12/30/2019 5:47 PM, richard mayor wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 100/6 rotor style oil pumps were an engineering disaster. While the design 
>>> itself is OK, the large physical size of the rotors in the pump creates a 
>>> lot of resistance and stress in other engine components. It puts great 
>>> pressure and increased wear on the oil pump driveshaft gear and the  
>>> camshaft great. This back pressure also results in the camshaft being 
>>> driven forward more forcefully into the camshaft thrust plate. It also 
>>> stretches the timing chain.
>>> 
>>> As this problem became apparent, Austin modified the camshaft thrust plate 
>>> with the addition of a circular oil groove.  When that was not sufficient 
>>> they changed the thrust plate to a bronze type of material with a circular 
>>> oil groove. Eventually they replaced the rotor style pump with the gear 
>>> style.
>>> 
>>> I the photo I have attached, the plate on the left is the stock steel 
>>> thrust plate. The middle plate is a late 100/6 bronze style thrust plate.  
>>> The thrust plate on the right is the result of using a Denis Welch 100/6 
>>> "high volume" oil pump. The cam has ground itself into that thrust plate 
>>> about 1/8th inch.   Look closely at the oil pump driveshaft in the photo 
>>> and you will see that the gears have been sheared off. The gears on a very 
>>> expensive Denis Welsh camshaft are also sheared off.
>>> 
>>> Calling a 100/6 oil pump a "high volume" pump is like calling a prostitute 
>>> a "social worker". They both do the job but the consequences can be tragic.
>>> 
>>> My advice:  Do not use a 100/6 oil pump.  The gear style pumps are more 
>>> than adequate.  And, don't believe everything you read in the Denis Welch 
>>> catalogue.
>>> 
>>> If you insist on using the 100/6 oil pump then you should get the 
>>> Torrington bearing camshaft thrust plate from Denis Welch as well.
>>> 
>>> 
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