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Hello
Saw that go for sale a couple of weeks back.
While it=E2=80=99s agreed that just 355 Mk2 BN7s were built I would really =
like to know where the other figures came from. Could be auctioneer speak.
JME Healeys are very keen on the Mk2 Roadster and have been selling and res=
toring a few of late. Good luck to them. They have also been fitting centre=
-shift boxes into earlier examples.
A year or so back they advertised one through Facebook implying that it had=
a centre-shift box from new. Going on the chassis number that was not poss=
ible so I sent a polite note. No response!
Hoo Roo
Patrick Quinn
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of HealeyRi=
ck
Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 9:18 PM
To: Jean Caron
Cc: Healey, Forum
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s
Thanks to all who contributed to trying to solve another Healey unsolved my=
stery. Funny how we look back on the early iterations of the marque as bei=
ng preferred when so often they were discontinued because of lack of sales.=
Look at the bugeye/frogeye for instance. The +2 cars became popular as g=
rowing families needed "room for the tads" as one Healey advert said. And =
at a time when Heleys were not just weekend cars but the sole means of tran=
sport of lots of young people it would be hard to compete with the MGB and =
TR4 without roll-up windows and a convertible top. But rarity now rules. =
His the BN7 that started my question, certainly more value than a BT7: ht=
tps://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/es20/the-european-sale-featuring-the-petit=
jean-collection/lots/r0061-1961-austin-healey-3000-mk-ii-bn7/856437
Healthy Healeying,
Rick Neville
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 3:18 PM Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@ho=
tmail.com> wrote:
Josef,
Exactly, they were no longer selling, thus the low number. Somehow, at some=
point, someone mentioned how few were made, and for some reason beyond com=
mon sense, these cars became sought after.
Jean
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ows 10
From: josef-eckert@t-online.de
Sent: June 20, 2020 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s
The number was so low as nobody wanted them as there was a better alternati=
ve in the BT7, even the Bn7s were cheaper than the better looking and more =
praticable BT7s.
Now some try to tell they are so rare they should be worth much more. They =
are rare as nobody wanted them.
So what=C2=B4s interesting on a car nobody wanted?
Josef Eckert
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s
Datum: 2020-06-20T16:35:01+0200
Von: "Max Byers" <sbyers@ec.rr.com>
An: "'Healeys'" <healeys@autox.team.net>
"Seems like this is a question the archivists at the British Motor Museum
ought to be able to answer".
Yes, they should be able to answer such questions if they were willing to d=
o it. To my knowledge, the archive staff will provide a certificate with o=
riginal build data for a given chassis number when requested and paid for, =
or they will respond to a single question about a given chassis number when=
submitted through a "web request" at their website and paid for; but I don=
't think they will go through all the records to total up a certain charact=
eristic for the cars in general. That's what Anders Clausager did to produ=
ce his book.
At the moment, the public is free to go there in person and research for th=
emselves, with pre-arrangement with the staff. Given recent changes at BMI=
HT, I'm not certain even this option will last too much longer.
Steve Byers
HBJ8L/36666
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
Havelock, NC USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hask=
ell
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 8:41 AM
To: HealeyRick; Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s
Rick,
I don't have a definitive number. As total production was 355, 354
can't be correct. BN7 Mk II production began in May 1961 and the last
BN7 was produced in March '62. The center shift gearbox was introduced
in November. There were 141 produced in '62, so 125 can't be right either.=
If one attempts to calculate build rates, 355 over 11 months is 32.3 per
month. For just '61, 214 over 8 months is 26.8 per month. For just
'62, 141 over 3 months is 47 per month. So pick a rate for part of
November and December. 141 plus 60? Gets around 200?
About 59% of the cars in the registry are center shift, based on the VIN
of the first car HBN7/16039. 59% of 355 is 210.
Liars, damn liars and statisticians.
Seems like this is a question the archivists at the British Motor Museum
ought to be able to answer.
Cheers,
Bob Haskell
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
On 6/20/20 7:27 AM, HealeyRick wrote:
> Writing an auction article for /Healey Marque/ about the auction of a
> center-change, tri-carb, BN7. Auction house says 220 were built. I've
> seen numbers of 354 and 125. Anyone have the correct number?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Rick Neville
>
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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt'>Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Saw that go for sale a couple of weeks back.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>=
<o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
1.0pt'>While it=E2=80=99s agreed that just 355 Mk2 BN7s were built I would =
really like to know where the other figures came from. Could be auctioneer =
speak.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
1.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-size:11.0pt'>JME Healeys are very keen on the Mk2 Roadster and have been s=
elling and restoring a few of late. Good luck to them. They have also been =
fitting centre-shift boxes into earlier examples.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>A year or so back =
they advertised one through Facebook implying that it had a centre-shift bo=
x from new. Going on the chassis number that was not possible so I sent a p=
olite note. No response!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Hoo Roo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Patrick Quinn<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-=
US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys [m=
ailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>HealeyRick<br><b>=
Sent:</b> Sunday, 21 June 2020 9:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jean Caron<br><b>Cc:</=
b> Healey, Forum<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change B=
N7s<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks to all who contributed to trying to solve another =
Healey unsolved mystery. Funny how we look back on the early iteratio=
ns of the marque as being preferred when so often they were discontinued be=
cause of lack of sales. Look at the bugeye/frogeye for instance. =
; The +2 cars became popular as growing families needed "room for=
the tads" as one Healey advert said. And at a time when Heleys =
were not just weekend cars but the sole means of transport of lots of young=
people it would be hard to compete with the MGB and TR4 without roll-up wi=
ndows and a convertible top. But rarity now rules. His the BN7 =
that started my question, certainly more value than a BT7: <a h=
ref=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/es20/the-european-sale-featuring-=
the-petitjean-collection/lots/r0061-1961-austin-healey-3000-mk-ii-bn7/85643=
7">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/es20/the-european-sale-featuring-the-=
petitjean-collection/lots/r0061-1961-austin-healey-3000-mk-ii-bn7/856437</a=
><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal>Healthy Healeying,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>Rick Neville<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>=
</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 3:18=
PM Jean Caron <<a href=3D"mailto:vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.c=
om">vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><=
/div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;paddi=
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span lang=3DEN-CA>Josef,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=3DEN-CA>Exa=
ctly, they were no longer selling, thus the low number. Somehow, at some po=
int, someone mentioned how few were made, and for some reason beyond common=
sense, these cars became sought after.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
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lt:auto'><span lang=3DEN-CA>Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/f=
wlink/?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10<o:p></o:p=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto'><b><span lang=3DEN-CA>From: </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA><a href=3D=
"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de"; target=3D"_blank">josef-eckert@t-online.d=
e</a><br><b>Sent: </b>June 20, 2020 2:11 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto=
:healeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Healey, Forum</a><br><b>Subject:=
</b>Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto'><span lang=3DEN-CA> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-CA>T=
he number was so low as nobody wanted them as there was a better alternativ=
e in the BT7, even the Bn7s were cheaper than the better looking and more p=
raticable BT7s.<br>Now some try to tell they are so rare they should be wor=
th much more. They are rare as nobody wanted them. <br><br>So what=C2=B4s i=
nteresting on a car nobody wanted?<br><br>Josef Eckert<br><br><br><br>-----=
Original-Nachricht-----<br>Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change B=
N7s<br>Datum: 2020-06-20T16:35:01+0200<br>Von: "Max Byers" <<a=
href=3D"mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com"; target=3D"_blank">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>>=
;<br>An: "'Healeys'" <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><br>"Seems like =
this is a question the archivists at the British Motor Museum <br>ought to =
be able to answer".<br><br>Yes, they should be able to answer such que=
stions if they were willing to do it. To my knowledge, the archive st=
aff will provide a certificate with original build data for a given chassis=
number when requested and paid for, or they will respond to a single quest=
ion about a given chassis number when submitted through a "web request=
" at their website and paid for; but I don't think they will go throug=
h all the records to total up a certain characteristic for the cars in gene=
ral. That's what Anders Clausager did to produce his book. <br>=
At the moment, the public is free to go there in person and research for th=
emselves, with pre-arrangement with the staff. Given recent changes a=
t BMIHT, I'm not certain even this option will last too much longer.<br><br=
>Steve Byers<br>HBJ8L/36666<br>BJ8 Registry<br>AHCA Delegate at Large<br>Ha=
velock, NC USA<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Healeys=
[<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">mailt=
o:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Bob Haskell<br>Sent: Sat=
urday, June 20, 2020 8:41 AM<br>To: HealeyRick; Healeys<br>Subject: Re: [He=
aleys] Number of Center-change BN7s<br><br>Rick,<br><br>I don't have a defi=
nitive number. As total production was 355, 354 <br>can't be correct.=
BN7 Mk II production began in May 1961 and the last <br>BN7 was prod=
uced in March '62. The center shift gearbox was introduced <br>in Nov=
ember. There were 141 produced in '62, so 125 can't be right either.<=
br><br>If one attempts to calculate build rates, 355 over 11 months is 32.3=
per <br>month. For just '61, 214 over 8 months is 26.8 per month.&nb=
sp; For just <br>'62, 141 over 3 months is 47 per month. So pick a ra=
te for part of <br>November and December. 141 plus 60? Gets around 20=
0?<br><br>About 59% of the cars in the registry are center shift, based on =
the VIN <br>of the first car HBN7/16039. 59% of 355 is 210.<br><br>Li=
ars, damn liars and statisticians.<br><br>Seems like this is a question the=
archivists at the British Motor Museum <br>ought to be able to answer.<br>=
<br>Cheers,<br><br>Bob Haskell<br>Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br><=
br>On 6/20/20 7:27 AM, HealeyRick wrote:<br>> Writing an auction article=
for /Healey Marque/ about the auction of a <br>> center-change, tri-car=
b, BN7. Auction house says 220 were built. I've <br>> seen n=
umbers of 354 and 125. Anyone have the correct number?<br>> <br>&g=
t; Thanks in advance,<br>> Rick Neville<br>> <br><br>________________=
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