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Re: [Healeys] BN2 Transmission HELP!!!!

To: john harper <ah100tech@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN2 Transmission HELP!!!!
From: Charles Schott via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:56:48 -0400 (EDT)
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John, 

It would probably take a couple of days to make a spacer plate, then you'd have 
to move the rear transmission mounts on the chassis rearward by the same amount 
as well as shortening the driveshaft. It took me less than two minutes to cut a 
half an inch off of the shaft. And then it bolted right up to the engine. 

Regards, 

Charlie 

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From: "john harper" <ah100tech@gmail.com> 
To: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com> 
Cc: "Charles Schott" <schottc@knology.net>, "Russ & Lynn Deane" 
<russ@russdeane.com>, "Bill & Maureen Nieland" <billnieland1@gmail.com>, 
healeys@autox.team.net 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 10:54:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN2 Transmission HELP!!!! 

Steve 

Have you considered some sort of spacer plate and longer bolts? 

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 16:48, Michael Salter via Healeys < 
healeys@autox.team.net > wrote: 



Yes I encountered exactly that problem when trying, at very short notice, to 
rebuild 6a 100S gearbox after the owner had trashed his as a consequence of his 
TERRIBLE driving skills. He did the same thing again before selling the "S". 
I didn't have a BN2 gearbox input shaft (the 100S gearbox internals are the 
same as BN2) but I had a couple of 100/6 type. 
Discovered that it was only the pilot bush spigot shaft that was longer and 
simply cut about 1/2" (as I recall) off with a cut off wheel and all was good 
to go. 

M 

On Wed., Sep. 16, 2020, 8:30 p.m. Charles Schott, < schottc@knology.net > 
wrote: 

<blockquote>

I'm restoring a BN2? for a club member along with the BN1 that I'm doing for 
myself. His project is a story in itself, but the latest challenge is getting 
the transmission bolted to the engine. Normally it's an easy job, but in his 
case, he's buying parts for different sources in order to make a complete car. 

He had the front of his chassis cut off in preparation of installing a Corvette 
V8. All those parts were scrapped before he was convinced to take it back to 
original. That's when I stepped in. 

He bought a four cylinder engine from Healey Surgeons and a side shift 
transmission from a guy in California, the same guy that sold him the BN2 
chassis. When I tried to install the transmission, the bell housing had a 
different bolt pattern since it was for a six cylinder engine. He then got the 
correct bell housing, but now the trans still won't bolt up because the first 
motion shaft is too long (see attached sketch). The distance between the trans 
and the engine is approximately 8 3/4" and the width of the bell housing is 8 
5/16", a difference of 7/16". At this point, I'm tempted to cut off a half inch 
off of the shaft. 

Has anyone experience with this and can you recommend a better solution? 
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Regards, 

Charlie 


From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys" < healeys@autox.team.net > 
To: "Michael Salter" < michaelsalter@gmail.com > 
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 5:21:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Water Pump Question 

Again, the list makes my day!! Thank you all for the responses and the 
knowledge. I will continue with my quest to get this car back on the road! 
Steven Kingsbury 
BN1 

On September 16, 2020 at 2:44 PM, Michael Salter < michaelsalter@gmail.com > 
wrote: 


<blockquote>

Hi Steven, that hole is as it should be. It is the drain for the water pump 
seal. If coolant starts coming out of there the pump needs to be rebuilt. 
The grease will be leakage from the bearings which have most likely been over 
greased. 

M 

On Wed., Sep. 16, 2020, 5:04 p.m. Steven Kingsbury via Healeys, < 
healeys@autox.team.net > wrote: 

<blockquote>

I am in the process of putting my engine back together and upon cleaning the 
water pump, I found the bottom of the pump to be thick with what appeared to be 
grease. As I cleaned the grease away I found a hole at the bottom of the 
housing. Is this normal? I have a 1955 BN1 and I have to admit, I have never 
looked at the bottom of a 100 water pump. 
Was there once a grease fitting there? Are all of them open like this? I'm 
cleaning it to repaint and reinstall, but I'm a bit concerned and need the 
wisdom of the list to relieve my tension. 
Thanks in advance guys, 
Steven Kingsbury 
BN1 


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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, se=
rif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>John,</div><div><br></div><div>I=
t would probably take a couple of days to make a spacer plate, then you'd h=
ave to move the rear transmission mounts on the chassis rearward by the sam=
e amount as well as shortening the driveshaft. It took me less than two min=
utes to cut a half an inch off of the shaft. And then it bolted right up to=
 the engine.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Cha=
rlie</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-wei=
ght:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Ari=
al,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000; font-weight: =
normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,A=
rial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"john harper" &lt;ah100tech=
@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Michael Salter" &lt;michaelsalter@gmail.com&g=
t;<br><b>Cc: </b>"Charles Schott" &lt;schottc@knology.net&gt;, "Russ &amp; =
Lynn Deane" &lt;russ@russdeane.com&gt;, "Bill &amp; Maureen Nieland" &lt;bi=
llnieland1@gmail.com&gt;, healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, =
September 17, 2020 10:54:35 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] BN2 Transmi=
ssion HELP!!!!<br><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Steve<div><br></div><div>=
Have you considered&nbsp;some sort of spacer&nbsp;plate and longer bolts?</=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 16:48, Michael Salter via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:h=
ealeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=
=3D"auto">Yes I&nbsp; encountered exactly that problem when trying, at very=
 short notice, to rebuild 6a 100S gearbox after the owner had trashed his a=
s a consequence of his TERRIBLE driving skills. He did the same thing again=
 before selling the&nbsp; "S".<div dir=3D"auto">I didn't have a BN2 gearbox=
 input shaft (the 100S gearbox internals are the same as BN2) but I had a c=
ouple of 100/6 type.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Discovered that it was only the=
 pilot bush spigot shaft that was longer and simply cut about 1/2" (as I re=
call) off with a cut off wheel and all was good to go.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed., Sep. 16, 2020, 8:30 p.m. Cha=
rles Schott, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"; target=3D"_blank" d=
ata-mce-href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net";>schottc@knology.net</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" data-mce-sty=
le=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-le=
ft: 1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;times new roman&quot;,&quot;=
new york&quot;,times,serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)" data-mce-style=
=3D"font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: #000000;"><div>I'm restoring a BN2? for a club member along with th=
e BN1 that I'm doing for myself. His project is a story in itself, but the =
latest challenge is getting the transmission bolted to the engine. Normally=
 it's an easy job, but in his case, he's buying parts for different sources=
 in order to make a complete car.</div><div><br></div><div>He had the front=
 of his chassis cut off in preparation of installing a Corvette V8. All tho=
se parts were scrapped before he was convinced to take it back to original.=
 That's when I stepped in.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>He bought a four =
cylinder engine from Healey Surgeons and a side shift transmission from a g=
uy in California, the same guy that sold him the BN2 chassis. When I tried =
to install the transmission, the bell housing had a different bolt pattern =
since it was for a six cylinder engine. He then got the correct bell housin=
g, but now the trans still won't bolt up because the first motion shaft is =
too long (see attached sketch). The distance between the trans and the engi=
ne is approximately 8 3/4" and the width of the bell housing is 8 5/16", a =
difference of 7/16". At this point, I'm tempted to cut off a half inch off =
of the shaft.</div><div><br></div><div>Has anyone experience with this and =
can you recommend a better solution?&nbsp; HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Charlie</div><div><br></div>=
<hr id=3D"gmail-m_-1533410794222255648m_2759517829592758994zwchr"><div styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:=
none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" data-mce-style=
=3D"color: #000000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoratio=
n: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From=
: </b>"Steven Kingsbury via Healeys" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.te=
am.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healey=
s@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Michael Sal=
ter" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>michaelsalte=
r@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox=
.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, September =
16, 2020 5:21:30 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Water Pump Question<br=
><div><br></div><div>Again, the list makes my day!! Thank you all for the r=
esponses and the knowledge. I will continue with my quest to get this car b=
ack on the road!</div><div>Steven Kingsbury</div><div>BN1</div><div><br>On =
September 16, 2020 at 2:44 PM, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael=
salter@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mai=
lto:michaelsalter@gmail.com">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div=
><br></div></div><div><blockquote><div><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Steven, that ho=
le is as it should be. It is the drain for the water pump seal. If coolant =
starts coming out of there the pump needs to be rebuilt.<div dir=3D"auto">T=
he grease will be leakage from the bearings which have most likely been ove=
r greased.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed=
., Sep. 16, 2020, 5:04 p.m. Steven Kingsbury via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:healeys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-=
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" data-mce-style=
=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left=
: 1ex;"><div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am in the process of putting my engin=
e back together and upon cleaning the water pump, I found the bottom of the=
 pump to be thick with what appeared to be grease. As I cleaned the grease =
away I found a hole at the bottom of the housing. Is this normal? I have a =
1955 BN1 and I have to admit, I have never looked at the bottom of a 100 wa=
ter pump.&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Was there once a grease fitting=
 there? Are all of them open like this? I'm cleaning it to repaint and rein=
stall, but I'm a bit concerned and need the wisdom of the list to relieve m=
y tension.</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks in advance guys,</div><div>St=
even Kingsbury</div><div>BN1</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>_____=
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