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To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Bastuck
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 06:58:54 -0700
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In the second illustration on BPN it shows a (claimed) larger scalloped 
area on the impeller. Sounds reasonable but, according to Moss, it won't 
fit the original heater cutoff valve, which I have and would like to 
keep (one from Moss is almost $180).


On 8/29/2021 4:26 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:
> Bob--
>
> Thanks and in checking the Moss catalogue this morning I see that in 
> fact they do sell the two side-by-side as you state at $96.00 and 
> $163.00 respectively.  That is an 80% increase in price for the 
> "upgraded" pump and I must wonder what the pump achieves--and how it 
> does it--to justify such an increase. "Upgrade" might have several 
> meanings and given the propensity of these pumps to fail, perhaps 
> the term describes longevity versus performance, with a better-quality 
> seal.  OTOH if the upgrade is in performance that usually means 
> increased water flow.  Unless the outer housing is substantially 
> larger the cast-in "fins" on the internal impeller cannot be that much 
> larger and so I wonder how such an increase would be achieved.
>
> Just sayin'....
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 11:07 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net 
>
>     Michael,
>
>     The 'upgraded' pump sold by Moss, Bastuck and BPN all appear to be
>     the same:
>
>     https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.html
>     <https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.html>
>
>     (if you look close you can see '--STUCK' on the pump body)
>
>     Claims '30% more flow,' BUT--there's always a 'but'--per the Moss
>     catalog it will not fit the OEM brass heater line valve/nipple.
>     The cheaper one Moss sells supposedly does, but best I can tell
>     it's a County product. I've bad experiences with County, but both
>     Tom Monaco and David Nock say they have fit many with no issues.
>
>     The new one from AHSpares appears to be different, but also comes
>     with a barbed nipple:
>
>     
> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/cooling-heating-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.aspx
>     
> <https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/cooling-heating-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.aspx>
>
>
>     I started to remove my pump, but found the pulley was loose; pump
>     appears to be OK.
>
>     Bob
>
>
>
> -- 
> Best--Michael


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    In the second illustration on BPN it shows a (claimed) larger
    scalloped area on the impeller. Sounds reasonable but, according to
    Moss, it won't fit the original heater cutoff valve, which I have
    and would like to keep (one from Moss is almost $180).<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/2021 4:26 AM, Michael Oritt
      wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff">Bob--</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff">Thanks and in
          checking the Moss catalogue this morning I see that in fact
          they do sell the two side-by-side as you state at $96.00 and
          $163.00 respectively.  That is an 80% increase in price for
          the "upgraded" pump and I must wonder what the pump
          achieves--and how it does it--to justify such an increase. 
          "Upgrade" might have several meanings and given the propensity
          of these pumps to fail, perhaps the term describes longevity
          versus performance, with a better-quality seal.  OTOH if the
          upgrade is in performance that usually means increased
          water flow.  Unless the outer housing is substantially larger
          the cast-in "fins" on the internal impeller cannot be that
          much larger and so I wonder how such an increase would be
          achieved.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff">Just
          sayin'.... </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><br>
        </div>
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      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 11:07
          PM Bob Spidell &lt;<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
            moz-do-not-send="true">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div> Michael,<br>
            <br>
            The 'upgraded' pump sold by Moss, Bastuck and BPN all appear
            to be the same:<br>
            <br>
            <a
              
href="https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.html";
              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bpnorthwest.com/water-pump-uprated-bn1-to-bn2.html</a><br>
            <br>
            (if you look close you can see '--STUCK' on the pump body)<br>
            <br>
            Claims '30% more flow,' BUT--there's always a 'but'--per the
            Moss catalog it will not fit the OEM brass heater line
            valve/nipple. The cheaper one Moss sells supposedly does,
            but best I can tell it's a County product. I've bad
            experiences with County, but both Tom Monaco and David Nock
            say they have fit many with no issues.<br>
            <br>
            The new one from AHSpares appears to be different, but also
            comes with a barbed nipple:<br>
            <br>
            <a
href="https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/cooling-heating-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.aspx";
              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/cooling-heating-cht101-to-cht147/premium-water-pump-new-with-34-pulley.aspx</a><br>
            <br>
            <br>
            I started to remove my pump, but found the pulley was loose;
            pump appears to be OK.<br>
            <br>
            Bob<br>
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      -- <br>
      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><font 
color="#3333ff">Best--Michael</font></div>
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