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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pump queries
From: David Nock via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:27:56 -0700
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Smacking the check ball will not make a new seat in the pump. You must cut a=
 new seat with a special reamer.=20

David Nock

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 29, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFSimon- two things...did some of that "Plastic Metal" (JB Weld) th=
at you found, get into the plunger/pump body and "weld" it together?  It (pl=
unger) must move up and down with the action of the cam on the mainshaft to "=
pump" oil. (the wheel on the end should also be free to rotate)
>=20
> Secondly, the new 1/4" ball you fitted to the pump body opening-did you sm=
ack it to seat with the body hole??...this is very important as if it does n=
ot seal perfectly, you will get "0" pressure.=20
>=20
> Yes, you can engage/disengage the OD with the lever, sans the solenoid. Ha=
nk
>=20
> -----------------------------------------
>=20
> From: "Michael Salter"=20
> To: "Simon Lachlan"
> Cc: "Healeys"
> Sent: Sunday August 29 2021 5:58:01AM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pump queries
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> To your question in 3.
> No when you put a rod up through the hole in the center of the pump body l=
ower flange you will be pressing on the end of the piston which will move up=
 and down as the overdrive is rotated.
> The spring merely holds the piston roller against the cam until pressure i=
s established.=20
> If the piston does not move up and down with no influence from that "rod" i=
t is jamming in the body and this must be corrected.
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> M
>=20
> On Sun., Aug. 29, 2021, 8:46 a.m. Simon Lachlan via Healeys, <healeys@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> My overdrive is still driving me mad=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> So, I=E2=80=99ve got it reassembled and have added the oil. About 3.5 lit=
res was all it required so there must have been a fair bit still inside.
>>=20
>> The solenoid is still in its box. Am I right in assuming(!)that one can s=
witch the OD on manually with the lever on the RHS??
>> =20
>>=20
>> I ran the engine in 3rd for about 2 minutes whilst bringing that lever up=
, down, wherever. No pressure. How long does it take for the OD to produce p=
ressure after the hydraulics have been reassembled?
>> =20
>>=20
>> With the pump in place and its two retaining screws tightened up, should o=
ne be able to move the pump=E2=80=99s piston up and down against the spring w=
ith a rod pushed up through that bottom bolt? (The bolt into which the filte=
r=E2=80=99s bolt screws). Mine wouldn=E2=80=99t move at all. But wouldn=E2=80=
=99t that depend on the position of the cam??
>> =20
>>=20
>> One observation: The piston in the AH Spares accumulator wouldn=E2=80=99t=
 move in/out with pressure from my thumb. The supplier, OD Spares, said that=
 it takes a lot of pressure and oil to get that piston moving. Any thoughts o=
n that??
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I suspect that I=E2=80=99ve not managed to line the top of the piston up p=
roperly. Zero pressure.
>>=20
>> I had pressure before this saga all started but it dropped drastically on=
ce the engine/gearbox warmed up. Hence the new AH Spares accumulator with bi=
gger bore and new ball bearings and little springs etcetc.
>>=20
>> I don=E2=80=99t believe that I=E2=80=99ve got anything (else!) wrong so I=
=E2=80=99m wondering about the pump=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Simon
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Smacking the check ball will not make a new=
 seat in the pump. You must cut a new seat with a special reamer.&nbsp;<br><=
br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>David Nock</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 29, 2021, at 11:3=
6 AM, Henry G Leach via Healeys &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFSimo=
n- two things...did some of that "Plastic Metal" (JB Weld) that you found, g=
et into the plunger/pump body and "weld" it together?&nbsp; It (plunger) mus=
t move up and down with the action of the cam on the mainshaft to "pump" oil=
. (the wheel on the end should also be free to rotate)<div><br></div><div>Se=
condly, the new 1/4" ball you fitted to the pump body opening-did you smack i=
t to seat with the body hole??...this is very important as if it does not se=
al perfectly, you will get "0" pressure.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Yes,=
 you can engage/disengage the OD with the lever, sans the solenoid. Hank<br>=
<br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>----------------------------=
-------------</p>From: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com><br>To: "Si=
mon Lachlan"<br>Cc: "Healeys"<br>Sent: Sunday August 29 2021 5:58:01AM<br>Su=
bject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pump queries<br><br>
<div>To your question in 3.
<div>No when you put a rod up through the hole in the
center of the pump body lower flange you will be pressing on the
end of the piston which will move up and down as the overdrive is
rotated.</div>
<div>The spring merely holds the piston roller against
the cam until pressure is established.&nbsp;</div>
<div>If the piston does not move up and down with no
influence from that "rod" it is jamming in the body and this must
be corrected.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>M</div>
</div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun., Aug. 29, 2021, 8:46 a.m.
Simon Lachlan via Healeys, &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div lang=3D"en-gb">
<div class=3D"m_1156291302294497715WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My overdrive is still driving me mad=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So, I=E2=80=99ve got it reassembled and have added th=
e
oil. About 3.5 litres was all it required so there must have been a
fair bit still inside.</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm;" start=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"m_11562913=
02294497715MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;">The solenoid is stil=
l in its box. Am I right in
assuming(!)that one can switch the OD on manually with the lever on
the RHS??</li>
</ol><p class=3D"m_1156291302294497715MsoListParagraph">&nbsp;</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm;" start=3D"2" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"m_11562913=
02294497715MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;">I ran the engine in 3=
<sup>rd</sup> for about 2
minutes whilst bringing that lever up, down, wherever. No pressure.
How long does it take for the OD to produce pressure after the
hydraulics have been reassembled?</li>
</ol><p class=3D"m_1156291302294497715MsoListParagraph">&nbsp;</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm;" start=3D"3" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"m_11562913=
02294497715MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;">With the pump in pla=
ce and its two retaining
screws tightened up, should one be able to move the pump=E2=80=99s piston
up and down against the spring with a rod pushed up through that
bottom bolt? (The bolt into which the filter=E2=80=99s bolt screws). Mine
wouldn=E2=80=99t move at all. But wouldn=E2=80=99t that depend on the positi=
on of
the cam??</li>
</ol><p class=3D"m_1156291302294497715MsoListParagraph">&nbsp;</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm;" start=3D"4" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"m_11562913=
02294497715MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;">One observation: The=
 piston in the AH Spares
accumulator wouldn=E2=80=99t move in/out with pressure from my thumb. The
supplier, OD Spares, said that it takes a lot of pressure and oil
to get that piston moving. Any thoughts on that??</li>
</ol><p class=3D"m_1156291302294497715MsoListParagraph">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I suspect that I=E2=80=99ve not managed to line the
top of the piston up properly. Zero pressure.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had pressure before this saga all started
but it dropped drastically once the engine/gearbox warmed up. Hence
the new AH Spares accumulator with bigger bore and new ball
bearings and little springs etcetc.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t believe that I=E2=80=99ve got anythin=
g (else!)
wrong so I=E2=80=99m wondering about the pump=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
</div>
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