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Come to think of it, I DID use grease (not oil) on the pilot bearing . =
. . but I have used oil on smaller bearings.=20
=20
Mark
Ardmore, NZ
=20
From: Mark Fawcett <m.fawcett@cox.net>=20
Sent: Friday, 3 September 2021 10:45 AM
To: Mark Donaldson <ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz>
Cc: Tom Felts <Tomfelts@windstream.net>; Healey List =
<healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch
=20
I used grease.=20
=20
Mark Fawcett
=20
On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Donaldson via Healeys =
Tom,
=20
In cases like this I have used the old engineers=E2=80=99 trick to =
=E2=80=98hydraulic=E2=80=99 the pilot bearing out. =20
Fill the cavity behind the bearing with oil, insert a =C2=BE=E2=80=9D OD =
drift into the bearing, give it a solid belt with a hammer, and it =
SHOULD pop out. =20
This procedure has never failed me. I say SHOULD, as it may not have =
worked for you.
And don=E2=80=99t wear a good shirt whilst doing this. =F0=9F=98=8A
=20
Mark
Ardmore, NZ
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Felts <Tomfelts@windstream.net =
Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2021 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch
=20
I currently have my BJ8 tranny out. I have had the OD completely =
completely rebuilt and having a few well worn tranny components =
replaced. The worst part of taking out the tranny and rebuilding is =
getting the old pilot bush out and a new one installed. If anyone =
thinks the Healey clutch is a tough job, I invite you to replace clutch =
components in an E Type. The engine must be pulled with all that has to =
be disconnected. I'm in the process of removing mine now. That carbon =
TO bearing rubbed itself down to metal:):)
----- Original Message -----
healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, 01 Sep 2021 15:01:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch
=20
In January 2014, I removed the gearbox and overdrive from my BJ8 to fix =
a problem with the O/D slipping (low oil pressure) and a bad clutch =
judder in reverse that I had put up with for too long.
=20
I replaced the clutch release bearing for convenience and because I =
already had the new one in hand. The new bearing carbon block from Moss =
Motors measured 10/32" thick. The old one (also Moss Motors, installed =
September
1997) measured 9/32". That was only 1/32" wear in 80,534 miles, but =
mostly
long-distance ones. A photo of the old clutch disc is attached.
=20
=20
Steve Byers
=20
HBJ8L/36666
=20
BJ8 Registry
=20
AHCA Delegate at Large
=20
Havelock, NC USA
=20
=20
mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch
=20
=20
As for clutch longevity, there are several significant variables: (your) =
location, type of driving, driving style, etc. For example, if you DD =
your car in San Francisco, I wouldn't expect a clutch to last 50K miles, =
if that long. If you mostly drive highway miles, I think 100K is easily =
doable; I traded my '08 Mustang in at 124K miles with original clutch =
and brakes.
Although I've been driving manual cars for over 50 years, I still don't =
feel I've 'mastered' them (like landings in an aircraft). Dump the =
clutch too quickly and you'll increase longevity--if you don't break =
anything--at the expense of smoothness, be very delicate and slip it too =
much and you won't get 'normal' longevity. Actually, IMO Healeys are =
relatively easier to drive well, a properly set-up clutch with a =
Healey's torque makes smooth starts easier; my '19 Mustang is =
high-strung by comparison and I still manage to stall it occasionally.
=20
The release bearing can be problematic as, unlike a true bearing it's a =
known wear item. I heard a while back there were some low quality parts =
going around that failed within a few thousand miles. I'd say if it's =
more than one-third worn--anyone know the original thickness of the =
graphite?--I'd replace it (again, depending on driving circumstances).=20
Bob
=20
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=20
=20
=20
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-US'>Come to think of it, I DID use grease (not oil) on the pilot =
bearing=C2=A0 . . . but I have used oil on smaller bearings. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-US'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:EN-US'>Ardmore, NZ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Mark Fawcett =
<m.fawcett@cox.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 3 September 2021 =
10:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Donaldson =
<ardmorebusiness@xtra.co.nz><br><b>Cc:</b> Tom Felts =
<Tomfelts@windstream.net>; Healey List =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
Clutch<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I used =
grease. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Mark Fawcett<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 3:25 PM Mark Donaldson via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>Tom,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>In cases like this I have used the old =
engineers=E2=80=99 trick to <b>=E2=80=98hydraulic=E2=80=99</b> the pilot =
bearing out. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>Fill the cavity behind the bearing with oil, =
insert a =C2=BE=E2=80=9D OD drift into the bearing, give it a solid belt =
with a hammer, and it SHOULD pop out. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>This procedure has never failed me. I say =
SHOULD, as it may not have worked for you.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>And don=E2=80=99t wear a good shirt whilst doing =
this. </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif;color:#000066'>😊</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>Mark</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'>Ardmore, NZ</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
style=3D'color:#000066'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext><span =
lang=3DEN-US>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Tom Felts <<a =
href=3D"mailto:Tomfelts@windstream.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">Tomfelts@windstream.net</a>> <br>Sent: Thursday, 2 =
September 2021 8:00 AM<br>To: BJ8Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>><br>Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
Clutch</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>I currently have my BJ8 =
tranny out. I have had the OD completely completely rebuilt and =
having a few well worn tranny components replaced. <span =
style=3D'color:black;background:aqua'>The worst part of taking out the =
tranny and rebuilding is getting the old pilot bush out and a new =
one installed.</span> If anyone thinks the Healey clutch is a =
tough job, I invite you to replace clutch components in an E Type. =
The engine must be pulled with all that has to be disconnected. =
I'm in the process of removing mine now. That carbon TO bearing rubbed =
itself down to metal:):)<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>----- Original Message =
-----<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>From: BJ8Healeys via =
Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>healeys@autox.team.net</s=
pan></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>healeys@autox.team.net</s=
pan></a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>Sent: Wed, 01 Sep 2021 =
15:01:11 -0400 (EDT)<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
Clutch<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>In January 2014, I =
removed the gearbox and overdrive from my BJ8 to fix a problem with the =
O/D slipping (low oil pressure) and a bad clutch judder in reverse that =
I had put up with for too long.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>I replaced the clutch =
release bearing for convenience and because I already had the new one in =
hand. The new bearing carbon block from Moss Motors measured =
10/32" thick. The old one (also Moss Motors, installed =
September<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>1997) measured =
9/32". That was only 1/32" wear in 80,534 miles, =
but mostly<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>long-distance ones. =
A photo of the old clutch disc is attached.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>Steve =
Byers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>HBJ8L/36666<o:p></o:p></p>=
<p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>BJ8 =
Registry<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>AHCA Delegate at =
Large<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>Havelock, NC =
USA<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>From: Healeys [<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:healeys-bounces@au=
tox.team.net</span></a>] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>Sent: Wednesday, =
September 1, 2021 11:55 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>healeys@autox.team.net</s=
pan></a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
Clutch<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>As for clutch longevity, =
there are several significant variables: (your) location, type of =
driving, driving style, etc. For example, if you DD your car in San =
Francisco, I wouldn't expect a clutch to last 50K miles, if that long. =
If you mostly drive highway miles, I think 100K is easily doable; I =
traded my '08 Mustang in at 124K miles with original clutch and =
brakes.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>Although I've been =
driving manual cars for over 50 years, I still don't feel I've =
'mastered' them (like landings in an aircraft). Dump the clutch too =
quickly and you'll increase longevity--if you don't break anything--at =
the expense of smoothness, be very delicate and slip it too much and you =
won't get 'normal' longevity. Actually, IMO Healeys are relatively =
easier to drive well, a properly set-up clutch with a Healey's torque =
makes smooth starts easier; my '19 Mustang is high-strung by comparison =
and I still manage to stall it occasionally.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>The release bearing can =
be problematic as, unlike a true bearing it's a known wear item. I heard =
a while back there were some low quality parts going around that failed =
within a few thousand miles. I'd say if it's more than one-third =
worn--anyone know the original thickness of the graphite?--I'd replace =
it (again, depending on driving circumstances). <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext>Bob<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
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class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m6875947351402589931msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p></div=
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