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To: mgb-v8@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fwd: TR8/TR7 Tachometer]
From: "Christopher G. Moog" <cgmoog@ibm.net>
Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 22:39:03 -0400
Reply-to: "Christopher G. Moog" <cgmoog@ibm.net>
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Someone was talking about modifying the MGB tach to work with the V8.  I
forgot I had saved this from the TR8 list.  The tachs are likely the
same to it should work.
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To: tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: TR8/TR7 Tachometer
From: scott@lumenetics.com
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 97 21:51:47 +0000
Sender: owner-tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
I have the schematic for the TR7/8 tachometer.  I have used it to re-calibrate 
several TR7 tachs for TR8 use and to modify the tach for use with some types of 
capacitive discharge ignition systems.  The circuit is of 1960's/1970's 
"Hybrid" 
construction.  It consists of carbon film deposition resistors on a ceramic 
substrate onto which "non-integrated" components (e.g., capacitors and the TI 
IC) are soldered.  The TI chip is probably a so called "house numbered" part.  
It is very common for chip manufacturers to provide a standard chip or a 
variant 
of one with labeled with a (large) customer's specified number.  My experience 
has been that getting them to tell you about it is impossible.

Anyway, the tach circuit operates like this:  The input signal from the primary 
coil is sent through a second order "pi" filter to remove spurious noise and 
prevent false triggering.  The filter signal is then fed to the IC which 
contains a trigger (probably Schmidt) circuit.  The output of this trigger 
controls a charge pump which is a circuit that uses the charge storage 
properties of a capacitor to convert a frequency to a voltage or current.  The 
relationship is i[cap] = C dv/dt.  A resistor (Rcharge) and capacitor (Ccharge) 
set the charge current (and therefore the calibration) of the tach.  In 
production, the value of Ccharge is the same for all 4/6/8 cyl. designs.  The 
resistor is laser trimmed (I know it's hard to believe they would have 
something 
that high-tech, but it's true) to the correct value for the application (TR7, 
TR8, etc.).  This also adjusts the calibration to account for variations in 
meter movement sensitivity.  The output of the charge pump is then integrated 
(filtered) with another capacitor and fed through a buffer amplifier as a 
current to drive the meter movement.  The chip also contains an zener diode to 
regulate against supply voltage variations.  The blue capacitor you can see 
across the IC and a 150 ohm film resistor form the rest of the zener circuit. 

Sooo, after all this longwinded explanation, two points:

1.  The correct method to adjust the calibration of the tach is to adjust 
Rcharge as is done at the factory.  Not with a laser of course, but by 
substituting a potentiometer in place of the laser trimmed film resistor.  This 
will preserve the operating linearity of the circuit.  If you're going from a 4 
cylinder to an 8 cylinder, you can just place a pot in parallel with the film 
resistor.  To do this, connect a 100K pot (ten turn is best) between pin 7 and 
pin 4 of the IC.  Either calibrate against another tach or use a signal 
generator to calibrate (250Hz = 3750 RPM for an 8 cyl).  

2.  The cause of the startup problem is just friction in the meter movement.  
The blue cap has nothing to do with it (it is fully charged in 7.5 ms which is 
less time than it takes for you to turn you key from "acc" to "start").  Until 
the drive current through the meter is large enough or the vibration level is 
high enough to kick it loose, nothing happens.  This is why revving the engine 
(raising drive current) or hitting the dash (vibration) kicks it loose.  This 
is 
also why some do it more than others.  I had a meter on the test bench and with 
no vibration and a simulated low speed signal, the tach didn't move.  Up the 
sig 
gen frequency or tap it and viola, movement.

A chip that operates very similarly to the one in the tach is the National 
LM2917 frequency to voltage converter.  It's not identical, but the concepts 
are 
the same.

I hope this useful.

Scott

'80 TR8
'73 Stag (For Sale)

"I drive therefore I am"

 
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