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Re: ABS experience (still long)

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Subject: Re: ABS experience (still long)
From: Max Heim <mvheim@studiolimage.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:40:43 -0800
This is all very interesting. The question is, do any current ABS systems 
use accelerometers? If so, which ones?

(sorry to butt in)


Matt Pringle had this to say:

>Even on ice the car will be slowing (albeit extremely slowly). 
>Acceleromters can be extremely sensitive.
>
>Matt
>
>Bob Howard wrote:
>> 
>> Matt,
>>   I can follow your logic if the skid is on pavement where at least one
>> wheel has good grip.  If all four wheels were  on ice, how would it sense
>> deceleration?
>> Bob
>> 
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:43:47 -0500 Matt Pringle <pringlmm@mcmaster.ca>
>> writes:
>> > Actually sensing the difference between being stopped and skidding
>> > with
>> > all wheels locked is very simple and I'd be very surprised if they
>> > don't
>> > do it already.  When you're skidding, you're still slowing down and
>> > so
>> > an accelerometer could easily sense this.
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> > Chris Kotting wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Paul -
>> > >
>> > > Aha!  You've discovered ABS's weak point.  Allow me to ask a
>> > question:
>> > > How does ABS know that a wheel is locked?  Think about this for a
>> > second
>> > > before reading the next line.
>> > >
>> > > Ready for the answer?
>> > >
>> > > By comparing rotional speeds of the four wheels.
>> > >
>> > > Now for the next question:  How can an ABS system tell the
>> > difference
>> > > between these two states (a) all four wheels locked and sliding,
>> > and (b)
>> > > stopped?
>> > >
>> > > Answer? It can't.
>


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Max Heim
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