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To: "'Richard Lindsay'" <richardolindsay@gmail.com>, "'Simon Matthews'" <simon.d.matthews@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Advice please, bad miss
From: Hans Duinhoven via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:41:19 +0200
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Had a similar experience with my 1970 Puch moped. When the engine went on n=
ormal operational temperature, I heard a nasty bang noise and the engine lo=
st a lot of power. I managed to reach home.

Later when cold the engine started well again, but much sooner the engine p=
ower was lost again.

So I replaced the coil and the problem seamed to be away.

Quickly at the next longer run the engine started to show the very same iss=
ues.

I then replaced anything within the ignition, but not the coil of course.

The problem did not go away of course.

A good friend with lots of experience and parts got fed up with this nasty =
problem and replaced the entire ignition set.

Problem gone.

Had to pay him some $ 30 and I was allowed to keep the faulty set as well.

Replacing the coil again gave me a very nice spare set.

 

Cheers,

Hans

 

=E2=80=9971 BGT back on the road again after an MOT failure of the UJ joint=
 of the steering shaft and also some front suspension bushings were showing=
 to much play.

Another MOT failure was the demister did not work =E2=80=93 bit nasty job t=
o reconnect the hose again solved it nicely

Had a nice 230 miles run last Sunday and all went great

Van: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] Namens Richard Lindsay via Mgs=

Verzonden: zondag 28 augustus 2016 14:28
Aan: Simon Matthews
CC: mgs@autox.team.net List
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Advice please, bad miss

 

Thanks for posting that, Simon! Read the stacks of workshop manuals and the=
y say, 'condensers almost never fail'. 'Almost' is a dangerous word and it =
fogs our troubleshooting vision. But well done to you!

> What's that old saw? 90% of fuel problems are ignition problems.
>
> I swapped out the almost new condenser and the problem went away.
>
> Simon

And why after almost a year, am I writing this? Firstly, my MG TD restorati=
on awaits completion, but I uncovered it yesterday while cleaning up the sh=
op. Some of the old excitement returned. Secondly, my old '69 Silver Shadow=
 is at a commercial shop getting new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, coil, ballas=
t, points, and condenser. And guess what; The 'almost new' condenser had fa=
iled, leaving that honkin' big 6 liter V8 without enough spark to start! Co=
ndensers DO fail, and when they do, diagnostics become difficult because, "=
condensers almost never fail." Maybe the piles of literature should read, "=
condensers almost never fail, except for the poorly made replacements avail=
able in the 21st century."

-rick, with 6 Brirish cars, 3 Italian cars, 1 German, 1 Swedish, and 1 Japa=
nese!



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 normal operational temperature, I heard a nasty bang noise and the engine =
lost a lot of power. I managed to reach home.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Later when cold the engine started well ag=
ain, but much sooner the engine power was lost again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So I replaced the coil and the pro=
blem seamed to be away.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lan=
g=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D'>Quickly at the next longer run the engine started to show the ve=
ry same issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-U=
S style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I then replaced anything within the ignition, but not the coil of course=
=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The probl=
em did not go away of course.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D'>A good friend with lots of experience and parts got fed up=
 with this nasty problem and replaced the entire ignition set.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Problem gone.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Had to pay him some $ 30=
 and I was allowed to keep the faulty set as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Replacing the coil again gave me a ve=
ry nice spare set.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DE=
N-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F=
497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US s=
tyle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=
Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hans=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>=E2=80=9971 BGT ba=
ck on the road again after an MOT failure of the UJ joint of the steering s=
haft and also some front suspension bushings were showing to much play.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Another MOT fail=
ure was the demister did not work =E2=80=93 bit nasty job to reconnect the =
hose again solved it nicely<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:#1F497D'>Had a nice 230 miles run last Sunday and all went great<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10=
=2E0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net] <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 2=
8 augustus 2016 14:28<br><b>Aan:</b> Simon Matthews<br><b>CC:</b> mgs@autox=
=2Eteam.net List<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Advice please, bad miss<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>Thanks for p=
osting that, Simon! Read the stacks of workshop manuals and they say, 'cond=
ensers almost never fail'. 'Almost' is a dangerous word and it fogs our tro=
ubleshooting vision. But well done to you!<o:p></o:p></p><p>&gt; What's tha=
t old saw? 90% of fuel problems are ignition problems.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I sw=
apped out the almost new condenser and the problem went away.<br>&gt;<br>&g=
t; Simon<o:p></o:p></p><p>And why after almost a year, am I writing this? F=
irstly, my MG TD restoration awaits completion, but I uncovered it yesterda=
y while cleaning up the shop. Some of the old excitement returned. Secondly=
, my old '69 Silver Shadow is at a commercial shop getting new plugs, wires=
, cap, rotor, coil, ballast, points, and condenser. And guess what; The 'al=
most new' condenser had failed, leaving that honkin' big 6 liter V8 without=
 enough spark to start! Condensers DO fail, and when they do, diagnostics b=
ecome difficult because, &quot;condensers almost never fail.&quot; Maybe th=
e piles of literature should read, &quot;condensers almost never fail, exce=
pt for the poorly made replacements available in the 21st century.&quot;<o:=
p></o:p></p><p>-rick, with 6 Brirish cars, 3 Italian cars, 1 German, 1 Swed=
ish, and 1 Japanese!<o:p></o:p></p></div>
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