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Well, I'm glad you figured that out. So now we know that gear oil is =
actually OK. Though I don't know what the advantages/disadvantages might =
be either way.
--
Max Heim
'66 MGB
> On Jan 18, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Jack Wheeler via Mgs =
<mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> Thanks to all for your help. Using the pictures I received, I was =
finally able to figure out the problem. I had the pump body assembled =
backwards. I turned it around and reassembled everything. Sure enough, =
the overdrive now works. Thanks again.
>=20
> Jack
>=20
> On Friday, January 18, 2019, 11:52:54 AM EST, PaulHunt73 =
<paulhunt73@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Hi Jack,
> =20
> An incorrectly assembled relief valve or one with missing parts could =
certainly cause non-operation of the OD, as it allows pressure to build =
to a given point in order to move the sliding parts. If pressure can't =
build the OD won't engage. I can't see any shims in your picture, but =
usually they only affect the sharpness of engagement. However in your =
photo the valve body with filter, next to the hex plug, is the wrong way =
round compared to the two photos in my link.
> =20
> As far as gear oil goes it was standard for the V8 and hasn't caused =
me any problems in 120k.
> =20
> Paul.
> =20
> =20
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 4:08 PM
> Subject: [Mgs] Overdrive Diagram - Update 2.0
>=20
> Thanks, Paul. That is helpful. The problem still exists however, in =
that the diagram of the relief valve in the manual does not agree with =
the parts in my overdrive unit. The picture you attached is like mine. =
My question is, if the relief valve were installed improperly, would =
that cause the overdrive not to engage? Yesterday, I reversed the =
plunger to get it in the correct alignment and reinstalled the entire =
assembly. I drove it this morning, and it didn't seem to make any =
difference - the overdrive still did not engage. Any additional =
thoughts? Thanks.
>=20
> Jack
>=20
> On Friday, January 18, 2019, 5:21:06 AM EST, PaulHunt73 =
<paulhunt73@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I've just noticed I had a photo attached to this, didn't think the =
list handled attachments.
> =20
> Anyway, that's not the oil pump but the relief valve assembly beside =
the solenoid plate that can be accessed directly. The oil pump is =
'under' the circular plug with two holes in the sump.
> =20
> I've been into the relief valve on both my cars, and there are various =
configurations as shown here http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/goc.htm#3 =
<http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/goc.htm#3>
> =20
> I've not been into the pump but I'm attaching a scan of the exploded =
parts from the Laycock manual, Jack at least should get that.
> =20
> PaulH.
> =20
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 8:20 PM
> Subject: [Mgs] Overdrive Diagram - Update
>=20
> OK, attached is a picture of the components as they were installed in =
my oil pump. I have removed it, and after carefully examining the =
assembly, I think I can see why it is not working. I had the plunger =
(the item in the middle in the attached picture) installed backwards. I =
had the long end of the plunger going down into the pump body, so of =
course, the plunger riding on the cam would not even contact the plunger =
going into the body. When I turned the plunger around, the 2 plungers =
now come into contact with each other, thus allowing the pump to work.
>=20
> I'd still be interested in any comments you have (other than "what a =
s***head"). Also, I'd like to get an exploded diagram of the unit in my =
car. Thanks for any help you can give me.
>=20
> Jack
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figured that out. So now we know that gear oil is actually OK. Though I don't
know what the advantages/disadvantages might be either way.<div class=""><br
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font-size: 13px;" class="">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
</div>
<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 18,
2019, at 11:21 AM, Jack Wheeler via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
class="">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div
class="ydpbfec1ce6yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div class=""></div>
<div class="">Thanks to all for your help. Using the pictures I
received, I was finally able to figure out the problem. I had the pump
body assembled backwards. I turned it around and reassembled
everything. Sure enough, the overdrive now works. Thanks
again.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jack<br
class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>
</div><div id="ydpb9f0a781yahoo_quoted_8370196508"
class="ydpb9f0a781yahoo_quoted">
<div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;" class="">
<div class="">
On Friday, January 18, 2019, 11:52:54 AM EST, PaulHunt73
<<a href="mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com";
class="">paulhunt73@virginmedia.com</a>> wrote:
</div>
<div class=""><br class=""></div>
<div class=""><br class=""></div>
<div class=""><div id="ydpb9f0a781yiv9380117422" class=""><div
class="">
<div class=""><font size="2" class="">Hi Jack,</font></div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class=""></font> </div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class="">An incorrectly assembled relief valve or
one with missing
parts could certainly cause non-operation of the OD, as it allows pressure to
build to a given point in order to move the sliding parts. If
pressure can't build the OD won't engage. I can't see any shims in
your picture, but usually they only affect the sharpness of engagement.
However in your photo the valve body with filter, next to the
hex plug, is the wrong way round compared to the two photos in my
link.</font></div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class=""></font> </div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class="">As far as gear oil goes it was standard
for the V8 and hasn't
caused me any problems in 120k.</font></div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class=""></font> </div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class="">Paul.</font></div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class=""></font> </div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class=""></font> </div>
<blockquote dir="ltr" style="BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px
solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;"
class="">
<div class="ydpb9f0a781yiv9380117422yqt5067720670"
id="ydpb9f0a781yiv9380117422yqt21350"><div style="font-style: normal;
font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height:
normal; font-family: arial; font-size-adjust: none;" class="">----- Original
Message ----- </div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal;
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; font-size-adjust:
none; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-repeat: repeat;
background-attachment: scroll; background-image: none; background-size: auto
auto;" class=""><b class="">From:</b>
<a shape="rect" title="jwheeler1947@yahoo.com"
href="mailto:jwheeler1947@yahoo.com"; rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
class="">Jack
Wheeler</a> </div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal;
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; font-size-adjust:
none;" class=""><b class="">To:</b> <a shape="rect"
title="paulhunt73@virginmedia.com" href="mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com";
rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">PaulHunt73</a> </div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal;
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; font-size-adjust:
none;" class=""><b class="">Cc:</b> <a shape="rect" title="mgs@autox.team.net"
href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
class="">Mglist</a> </div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal;
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; font-size-adjust:
none;" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, January 18, 2019 4:08
PM</div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal;
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; font-size-adjust:
none;" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> [Mgs] Overdrive Diagram - Update
2.0</div>
<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div>
<div class="ydpb9f0a781yiv9380117422ydp36d9a469yahoo-style-wrap"
style="FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px;">
<div class=""></div>
<div class="">Thanks, Paul. That is helpful. The problem still
exists
however, in that the diagram of the relief valve in the manual does not agree
with the parts in my overdrive unit. The picture you attached is like
mine. My question is, if the relief valve were installed improperly,
would that cause the overdrive not to engage? Yesterday, I reversed the
plunger to get it in the correct alignment and reinstalled the entire
assembly. I drove it this morning, and it didn't seem to make any
difference - the overdrive still did not engage. Any additional
thoughts? Thanks.</div>
<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div>
<div class="">Jack<br clear="none" class=""></div>
<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></div>
<div class="ydpb9f0a781yiv9380117422ydpf5576ecbyahoo_quoted"
id="ydpb9f0a781yiv9380117422ydpf5576ecbyahoo_quoted_8170212195">
<div style="FONT-FAMILY:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif;COLOR:#26282a;FONT-SIZE:13px;" class="">
<div class="">On Friday, January 18, 2019, 5:21:06 AM EST, PaulHunt73
<<a href="mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com";
class="">paulhunt73@virginmedia.com</a>> wrote: </div>
<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div>
<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div>
<div class="">
<div id="ydpb9f0a781yiv9380117422ydpf5576ecbyiv5976080571" class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""><font size="2" class="">I've just noticed I had a photo
attached to this,
didn't think the list handled attachments.</font></div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class=""></font> </div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class="">Anyway, that's not the oil pump but the
relief valve
assembly beside the solenoid plate that can be accessed directly. The
oil pump is 'under' the circular plug with two holes in the sump.</font></div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class=""></font> </div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class="">I've been into the relief valve on both
my cars, and there
are various configurations as shown here <a shape="rect"
href="http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/goc.htm#3"; rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
class="">http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/goc.htm#3</a></font></div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class=""></font> </div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class="">I've not been into the pump but
</font><font size="2" class="">I'm
attaching a scan of the exploded parts from the Laycock manual, Jack at least
should get that.</font></div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class=""></font> </div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class="">PaulH.</font></div>
<div class=""><font size="2" class=""></font> </div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px
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class="">
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class="">-----
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auto;" class=""><b class="">From:</b>
<a shape="rect" title="mgs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">Jack Wheeler via Mgs</a> </div>
<div
style="LINE-HEIGHT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size-adjust:none;"
class=""><b class="">To:</b>
<a shape="rect" title="mgs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">Mglist</a> </div>
<div
style="LINE-HEIGHT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size-adjust:none;"
class=""><b class="">Sent:</b>
Thursday, January 17, 2019 8:20 PM</div>
<div
style="LINE-HEIGHT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial;FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size-adjust:none;"
class=""><b class="">Subject:</b>
[Mgs] Overdrive Diagram - Update</div>
<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div>
<div class=""></div>
<div class="">OK, attached is a picture of the components as they were
installed in
my oil pump. I have removed it, and after carefully examining the
assembly, I think I can see why it is not working. I had the plunger
(the item in the middle in the attached picture) installed backwards.
I had the long end of the plunger going down into the pump body, so of
course, the plunger riding on the cam would not even contact the plunger
going into the body. When I turned the plunger around, the 2 plungers
now come into contact with each other, thus allowing the pump to work.</div>
<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div>
<div class="">I'd still be interested in any comments you have (other than
"what a
s***head"). Also, I'd like to get an exploded diagram of the unit in
my car. Thanks for any help you can give me.</div>
<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div>
<div class="">Jack<br clear="none"
class=""></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
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