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Re: [Mgs] Battery drain

To: "Barrie Robinson" <barrob@bell.net>, "MGB List" <mgs@autox.team.net>, "MGB V8 List" <mgb-v8@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Battery drain
From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 08:27:20 +0100 TUDh8MKDbTzCw/qSmReXfOzPuLA93V5CIw3ZehYGD0fqF/HOKXKCa3XwD31sCpYPRu+qIDkCl0mmvWQqLmIaHRuYHQRwbbbnPJ8kIs5+AcuPECWgBT4XOVjs
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That's a significant drain, even with alarm, radio and clock it should =
last for 2-3 weeks.

Your battery voltage off-car seems OK, but that is not a good indication =
of the amount of charge i.e. cranking power.  If you put it back on the =
car after three days and it cranked OK that does indicate the battery =
itself is OK - up to a point.

However the Lucas Fault Diagnosis Manual states that if a battery =
becomes 25% discharged then the on-board charging systems will never get =
it back to full capacity, and if it has become completely discharged =
they will never put back more than 50% capacity.  For that reason a =
flattened battery has to be boost charged for a period to restore full =
capacity.  Using a conventional charger this means charging at 16-17v =
for a couple of hours in a well ventilated space.  Or you can use one of =
the more sophisticated 'maintenance' chargers but only if they have a =
'recovery' program, and not all do.  These charge using pulses of up to =
20v.

But back to the drain.  If you have an analogue meter switch to its 12v =
i.e. VOLTS range and connect it in place of the battery earth lead.  =
With no drains on a car with an alternator you should see a few volts =
registered.  If it shows 12v there is a drain.  In that case the first =
thing to do is unplug the alternator, and if the drain drops to zero =
that is the culprit.  With the few volts registered unplugging the =
alternator should also drop it to zero.  But if still at 12v start =
disconnecting things like your radio, the purple circuit fuse, remove =
browns from things like the ignition switch, lighting switch, starter =
relay, hazard fuse and so on, looking at the meter each time.  If still =
there remove the browns from the starter solenoid, and finally the =
battery cable from the solenoid, but normally it will have been =
discovered by now.

You can also do this with a digital meter but they are far more =
sensitive and will show 12v even with just the normal alternator =
leakage, and may not fully drop to zero with that disconnected if there =
is dampness anywhere.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20

  After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few days - maybe 4 or 5  I find the =
battery is completely flat.  Did that 3 times.  So I took the battery =
out, charged it and waited 3 days.  The voltage dropped from 13.15V on =
Sunday 3pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday which does not seem to indicate that =
it is the battery's problem?
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>That's a significant drain, even with alarm, radio =
and clock=20
it should last for 2-3 weeks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Your battery voltage off-car seems OK, but that is =
not a good=20
indication of the amount of charge i.e. cranking power.&nbsp; If you put =
it back=20
on the car after three days and it cranked OK that does indicate the =
battery=20
itself is OK - up to a point.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>However the Lucas Fault Diagnosis Manual states that =
if a=20
battery becomes 25% discharged then the on-board charging systems will =
never get=20
it back to full capacity, and if it has become completely discharged =
they will=20
never put back more than 50% capacity.&nbsp; For that reason a flattened =
battery=20
has to be boost charged for a period to restore full capacity.&nbsp; =
Using a=20
conventional charger this means charging at 16-17v for a couple of hours =
in a=20
well ventilated space.&nbsp; Or you can use one of the more =
sophisticated=20
'maintenance' chargers but only if they have a 'recovery' program, and =
not all=20
do.&nbsp; These charge using pulses of up to 20v.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>But back to the drain.&nbsp; If you have an analogue =
meter=20
switch to its 12v i.e. VOLTS range and connect it in place of the =
battery earth=20
lead.&nbsp; With no drains on a car with an alternator you should see a =
few=20
volts registered.&nbsp; If it shows 12v there is a drain.&nbsp; In that =
case the=20
first thing to do is unplug the alternator, and if the drain drops to =
zero that=20
is the culprit.&nbsp; With the few volts registered unplugging the =
alternator=20
should also drop it to zero.&nbsp; But if still at 12v&nbsp;</FONT><FONT =

size=3D2>start disconnecting things like your radio, the purple circuit =
fuse,=20
remove browns from things like the ignition switch, lighting switch, =
starter=20
relay, hazard fuse and so on, looking at the meter each time.&nbsp; If =
still=20
there remove the browns from the starter solenoid, and finally the =
battery cable=20
from the solenoid, but normally it will have been discovered by=20
now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>You can also do this with a digital meter but they =
are far=20
more sensitive and will show 12v even with just the normal alternator =
leakage,=20
and may not fully drop to zero with that disconnected if there is =
dampness=20
anywhere.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV><FONT=20
  size=3D-1><FONT face=3DArial><BR>After leaving my MGB GT V8 for a few =
days - maybe=20
  4 or 5&nbsp; I find the battery is completely flat.&nbsp; Did that 3=20
  times.&nbsp; So I took the battery out, charged it and waited 3 =
days.&nbsp;=20
  The voltage dropped from 13.15V on Sunday 3pm to 12.91V 3pm Wednesday =
which=20
  does not seem to indicate that it is the battery's=20
problem?</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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