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Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission?

To: "Andrew Lundgren" <lundgren@byu.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Determine build date for an O/D transmission?
From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:40:01 -0000 H2KHrcNLBXptS32wwRvsUumGPbH8SxaZK1xh4PlDb6Q8rf1dkI/ECz4sDeQFmmpJoUI+vuDKDoBwgg==
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None of that is to do with the OD itself.

Which gears it operated on is a function of the linkages on top of the =
gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you wish.  When the =
TCSA was introduced in late 76 to control 'surging' a third switch was =
added to the top of the gearbox that operated in 2nd and 4th, and this =
was wired in series with the OD switch operating in 3rd and 4th to =
produce a 4th gear only output controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance.  =
I suspect that was not very reliable as it was an external micro-switch =
so it was deleted and the gearbox components changed so the switch =
operated in 4th only, as done to the V8 several years previously.  The =
gearbox switch now controlled both OD and TCSA. =20

The gear lever itself changed for the 77 model year to incorporate the =
OD manual switch, but that can also be fitted to any year, or the 77 =
converted back to some other switch, as you wish.

The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on the dash or the =
column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, then from =
there to the solenoid.  For 77 on it was from the ignition supply on a =
white to the gearbox switch, then from there to the manual switch on the =
gear lever, and from there to the solenoid.

Black label or blue label determines which speedo is compatible - black =
label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm speedo.  Blue label was =
used on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo.  But speedos can be =
recalibrated if you end up with the wrong combination.=20

So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the manual switch on the =
gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the plastic dash =
was new for the 77 model year - won't have that function.  But if the =
car has the earlier RB dash and column switches you don't need the gear =
lever switch, which is prone to shorting out and causing harness damage.

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the transmission arrives. =
(Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which shifter it =
should have had as well as which gears it should work on. =20


  I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current owner is still =
trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous owner. He =
doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one.


  I'm trying to determine how to wire it in.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>None of that is&nbsp;to do with the OD =
itself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Which gears it operated on is a function of the =
linkages on=20
top of the gearbox, and you can have it on 3 and 4 or 4 only as you =
wish.&nbsp;=20
When the TCSA&nbsp;was introduced in late 76 to control 'surging'&nbsp;a =
third=20
switch was added to the top of the gearbox that operated in 2nd and 4th, =
and=20
this was wired in series with the OD switch operating in 3rd and 4th to =
produce=20
a 4th gear only output controlling the TCSA and vacuum advance.&nbsp; I =
suspect=20
that was not very reliable as it was an external micro-switch so it was =
deleted=20
and the gearbox components changed so the switch operated&nbsp;in 4th=20
only,&nbsp;as done to the V8&nbsp;several years previously.&nbsp; The =
gearbox=20
switch now controlled both OD and TCSA.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The gear&nbsp;lever itself changed for the 77 model =
year to=20
incorporate the OD manual switch,&nbsp;but that can also be fitted to =
any year,=20
or the 77 converted back to some other switch, as you wish.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The wiring prior to 77 was from the manual switch on =
the dash=20
or the column, to the gearbox switch on a yellow and a yellow red, then =
from=20
there to the solenoid.&nbsp; For 77 on it was from the ignition supply =
on a=20
white to the gearbox switch, then from there to the manual switch on the =
gear=20
lever, and from there to the solenoid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Black label or blue label determines which speedo is =

compatible - black label was used on CB cars and used a 1280tpm =
speedo.&nbsp;=20
Blue label was used on RB cars and used a 1000tpm speedo.&nbsp; But =
speedos can=20
be recalibrated if you end up with the wrong =
combination.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>So as a 78 it should have a blue label OD and the =
manual=20
switch on the gear lever, as the column switch - which together with the =
plastic=20
dash was new for the 77 model year -&nbsp;won't have that =
function.&nbsp;=20
But&nbsp;if the car has the earlier RB dash and column switches you =
don't need=20
the gear lever switch, which is prone to shorting out and causing =
harness=20
damage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dauto>Not so much. It will be a a bit still until the =
transmission=20
  arrives. (Freight from NY to UT) I'm just trying to figure out which =
shifter=20
  it should have had as well as which gears it should work =
on.&nbsp;&nbsp;
  <DIV dir=3Dauto><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dauto>I'm going to be putting it into a 78, but the current =
owner is=20
  still trying to track down the shifter from his friend, the previous =
owner. He=20
  doesn't know if it was a late shifter or an early one.</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dauto><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dauto>I'm trying to determine how to wire it=20
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