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Re: [Mgs] Engine maths...and spare time

To: "Max Heim" <mvheim@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Engine maths...and spare time
From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 10:59:31 +0100 Peb+iHc6rv175A3dkb26E5mu7kztClzdVj5Tc1QdTCiX+X+T7njOTWE3eNsgTOKFwRpCcQ8FwhOSWA==
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That's exactly what does happen, because ignition is anything from 10 =
degrees upwards BTDC.  It's a trade-off between how much power you lose =
by too much of the fuel burning while the piston is still coming up - =
over advanced, against how much you lose with fuel still burning far =
into the expansion stroke - retarded.  There is a sweet-spot, but that =
continually changes with rpm and  throttle opening, which is why we have =
centrifugal and vacuum advance.  Centrifugal increases the advance as =
the rpm increases and the likelihood of detonation decreases, vacuum =
advance backs off the timing as the throttle is opened and more mixture =
goes into the cylinder giving higher cylinder pressures, which increases =
the likelihood of detonation.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20


  Well, it seems to me that if you advance the spark to a point on the =
compression stroke where the piston is still coming up, the expanding =
ignited mixture would be fighting the piston, and it would actually =
reduce power. I=E2=80=99m not sure if that is what you are talking =
about, though.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>That's exactly what does happen,&nbsp;because =
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anything from 10 degrees upwards BTDC.&nbsp; It's a trade-off between =
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power you lose by too much of the fuel burning while the piston is still =
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up - over advanced, against how much you lose with fuel still burning =
far into=20
the expansion stroke - retarded.&nbsp; There is a sweet-spot, but that=20
continually changes with rpm and&nbsp; throttle opening, which is why we =
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centrifugal and vacuum advance.&nbsp; Centrifugal increases the advance =
as the=20
rpm increases&nbsp;and the likelihood of detonation decreases, vacuum =
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backs off the timing as the throttle is opened and more mixture goes =
into the=20
cylinder giving higher cylinder pressures, which increases the =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>Well, it seems to me that if you =
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