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Forward toward the dashboard for high beams, back toward the wheel f=
or low, then pull against the spring to flash high beams.
Bob
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 3:22 PM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>=20
> Update - used a wire with an inline fuse to test connections. Parking li=
ghts work and headlights work in one position only.=20
>=20
> The dipper switch on a 72 - is forward high or low? Thats the one that wo=
rks
>=20
>=20
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Joel Martin <jmartiniii@yahoo.com>
> Date: 1/23/22 4:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: mgs@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4
>=20
> I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 years. The qual=
ity is just so poor. 12 uses out of first one, 8 uses out of 2nd one and th=
e last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at the start of a 1,283 mi=
le trip over 6 days. I had to sit on the side of the road and wait for the s=
un to come up. A buddy had a two position 50 year old Sunbeam light switch w=
e installed hanging under the dash on the first day of the trip, whew.
>=20
> 1973 MGB, original owner with 234K miles and the original switch lasted 23=
0k miles. Take your original switch apart and do everything you can to reta=
in it.
>=20
> Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost. Supper poor quality,=
mechanically.
>=20
> Installed Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss switch.=
I have only used 3 times, so we will see if this works.
>=20
> Good luck.
>=20
>=20
>=20
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> 1. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (dave northrup)
> 2. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (PaulHunt73)
> 3. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (Robert's New iPad)
> Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed w=
ork so that=E2=80=99s good, and makes sense.=20
>=20
> =20
>=20
> We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few thin=
gs. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get t=
he light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to byp=
ass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wir=
es.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote:
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this a=
fternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive.=
Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in e=
ngine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finger.=
>=20
> =20
>=20
> In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that sh=
orted. Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrument li=
ghts) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended) where=
to look next.
>=20
> Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the c=
ircuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will likel=
y bring it back on again. With your cut-off switch on tap first one then th=
e other of the wires mentioned above onto the brown and you should soon see w=
hich has the short - if it's still present.
>=20
> PaulH.
>=20
>> On 23/01/2022 00:34, dave northrup wrote:
>> I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get t=
he light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to byp=
ass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wir=
es.
>> =20
>>=20
>>=20
>=20
> Condition of the light switch does not sound encouraging, but you might re=
move it from the dash, open it, and see if it can be cleaned and saved. Orig=
inal switches were good quality.
> At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to touch. I bought a new one. It was h=
ot to touch. I opened and cleaned original, installed; it has been happy, a=
nd cool, ever since. Relays were installed later, but well after the old sw=
itch was back in service. =20
> Good on you to have a battery cut-off switch. I am a believer. We know th=
e condition of wires where we can see them, but those we can not see ......
> Bob
>=20
>=20
> On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>=20
>> Worked on the car a little today. discovered that the blinkers do indeed=
work so that=E2=80=99s good, and makes sense.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> We have a battery cutoff switch on this car so I decided to try a few thi=
ngs. I noticed that the light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get t=
he light switch to toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to byp=
ass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually connect the wir=
es.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave northrup wrote:
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Swapped transmissions, car runs and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this a=
fternoon until on the way home I switched on the lights.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Smoke from under the dash, I think on the passenger side but not positive=
. Turned the lights off, turned the car off and popped the hood. No smoke in=
engine compartment. Back of light switch was hot but did not burn my finge=
r.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
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an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>Forward towa=
rd the dashboard for high beams, back toward the wheel for low, then pull ag=
ainst the spring to flash high beams.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jan 24, 2022, at 3:22 PM, dave n=
orthrup <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>> wro=
te:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">
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52">
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Update - used a wire with an inline fuse to test connections. Pa=
rking lights work and headlights work in one position only.
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">The dipper switch on a 72 - is forward high or low? T=
hats the one that works</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-------- Original message --------</div>
<div>From: Joel Martin <<a href=3D"mailto:jmartiniii@yahoo.com";>jmartinii=
i@yahoo.com</a>> </div>
<div>Date: 1/23/22 4:25 PM (GMT-06:00) </div>
<div>To: <a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a> </div>=
<div>Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 176, Issue 4 </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Ne=
ue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:16px">
<div></div>
<div>I have been through 4 headlight switches in the last 2.25 years. =
The quality is just so poor. 12 uses out of first one, 8 uses out of 2=
nd one and the last one lasted 3 uses and gave out in the dark at the start o=
f a 1,283 mile trip over 6 days. I had
to sit on the side of the road and wait for the sun to come up. A bud=
dy had a two position 50 year old Sunbeam light switch we installed hanging u=
nder the dash on the first day of the trip, whew.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1973 MGB, original owner with 234K miles and the original switch lasted=
230k miles. Take your original switch apart and do everything you can=
to retain it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Never any smoke, the switch just gives up the ghost. Supper poor q=
uality, mechanically.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Installed Halogen lamps from a buddy with Moss relays and 4th Moss swit=
ch. I have only used 3 times, so we will see if this works.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good luck.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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1. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (dave northrup)<br>
2. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (PaulHunt73)<br>
3. Re: 1972 MGB convertible (Robert's New iPad)<br>
<div id=3D"ydpc53a9a66ymsg91642" class=3D"ydpc53a9a66ymsg8484487983">
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<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal">Worked on the car a little to=
day. discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that=E2=80=99s goo=
d, and makes sense.
</p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal">We have a battery cutoff swit=
ch on this car so I decided to try a few things. I noticed that the li=
ght switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch to to=
ggle at all so likely it is fried. Next
step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually c=
onnect the wires.
</p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal">On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave nor=
thrup wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt; margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal">Swapped transmissions, car ru=
ns and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I=
switched on the lights.</p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal">Smoke from under the dash, I t=
hink on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned t=
he car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. Back o=
f light switch was hot but did not
burn my finger.</p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
</blockquote>
</div>
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</div>
<div id=3D"ydpc53a9a66ymsg68860" class=3D"ydpc53a9a66ymsg8484487983">
<div id=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970">
<div>
<p>In that case it sounds like it was an output from the light switch that s=
horted. Either the blue (headlights) or red/green (parking and instrum=
ent lights) is probably also damaged, which will indicate (pun not intended)=
where to look next.</p>
<p>Note that if the short caused enough damage inside the switch to open the=
circuit, and disconnect the short, manually reconnecting the wires will lik=
ely bring it back on again. With your cut-off switch on tap first one t=
hen the other of the wires mentioned
above onto the brown and you should soon see which has the short - if it's s=
till present.<br>
</p>
<p>PaulH.<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970moz-cite-prefix">On 23/01/2022 00:34, d=
ave northrup wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970WordSection1"> I noticed that th=
e light switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch t=
o toggle at all so likely it is fried. Next step is to bypass the swit=
ch and see if we get lights/action if I manually
connect the wires.
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<br>
</blockquote>
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<div id=3D"ydpc53a9a66ymsg60106" class=3D"ydpc53a9a66ymsg8484487983">
<div id=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970Apple-tab-span" styl=
e=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"></span>Condition of the light switch does not sou=
nd encouraging, but you might remove it from the dash, open it, and see if i=
t can be cleaned and saved. Original
switches were good quality.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970Apple-tab-span" styl=
e=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"></span>At age 35 or so, my switch was warm to tou=
ch. I bought a new one. It was hot to touch. I opened and cleaned original, i=
nstalled; it has been happy, and
cool, ever since. Relays were installed later, but well after the old=
switch was back in service. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970Apple-tab-span" styl=
e=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"></span>Good on you to have a battery cut-off swit=
ch. I am a believer. We know the condition of wires where we can see t=
hem, but those we can not see ......</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970Apple-tab-span" styl=
e=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:34 PM, dave northrup <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@rantee=
r.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:<br=
>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970WordSection1">
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal">Worked on the car a little to=
day. discovered that the blinkers do indeed work so that=E2=80=99s goo=
d, and makes sense.
</p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal">We have a battery cutoff swit=
ch on this car so I decided to try a few things. I noticed that the li=
ght switch no longer moves at all. I cannot get the light switch to to=
ggle at all so likely it is fried. Next
step is to bypass the switch and see if we get lights/action if I manually c=
onnect the wires.
</p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal">On 19/01/2022 02:32, dave nor=
thrup wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt; margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal">Swapped transmissions, car ru=
ns and drives fine, blinkers worked ok this afternoon until on the way home I=
switched on the lights.</p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal">Smoke from under the dash, I t=
hink on the passenger side but not positive. Turned the lights off, turned t=
he car off and popped the hood. No smoke in engine compartment. Back o=
f light switch was hot but did not
burn my finger.</p>
<p class=3D"ydpc53a9a66yiv0986361970MsoNormal"> </p>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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