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Re: Bias Ply Versus Radials- The Morgan Shimmy Is Worse W

To: ebrown@ms.com
Subject: Re: Bias Ply Versus Radials- The Morgan Shimmy Is Worse W
From: HALLGEIR STRØMSNES <HODDS@online.no>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:55:33 +0200
ebrown@ms.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Steve- Thanks for your thoughts. I bought my tires from Coker, in Chattanooga,
> Tenn. They have a web site (http://www.coker.com). What helped me a lot was 
>Bob
> Couch's suggestion that the 165r400 series would work on my 16" wheels. I'm 
>not
> conversant with the translation of inch to metric tire sizes, so this really
> opens up the possibilities. Coker's service, including tubes, cost about 
>US$700
> for four tires and shipping. Not cheap but the choices are slim, as you note.
> Their service, I have to say, was excellent. Might take a few days longer to 
>get
> to you all upside down there!
> 
> CB
> 
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> Subject: Re: Bias Ply Versus Radials- The Morgan Shimmy Is Worse With
> Author:  steve@tap.csiro.au (Steve Moore) at nylanr01
> Date:    6/10/97 8:41 AM
> 
> Chip Brown Writes
> 
> 
> >     I replaced my HM Tourist (Avon)5.25x16 with 165r400 Michelin
> >     tires/tyres over the weekend. The great big shimmy that resulted
> >     therefrom is due, I suspect, to one of the tyres/tires not being
> >     completely seated in its mounting, so I will remove all, re-examine,
> >     and try again to balance same. Smooth ride is gone because of said
> >     shimmy but even with the built in vibration but the car corners (with
> >     30 lbs of air) a whole lot better. The shimmy going down the Merritt
> >     Parkway at (any) speed reminded me of a cross-ply versus radial debate
> >     from years ago.
> 
> This should help a number of people I know who want to fit radials to their
> 16" wheels. We can not source 165r400 tyre here in Australia. Can anyone
> suggest a source in the USA or UK?
> >
> >     (There is, by the way, just enough room between the sidewall of the
> >     tyre/tire in the front and the spring top to get my fingers in there,
> >     or about 1/3 of an inch. Sisson warns about the whole mess deflecting
> >     enough to tear up the sidewall: we'll certainly see about that as I
> >     pull off the wheels this week.)
> 
> Sounds about the same as any new Morgan to me. My 1972 4/4 fitted with
> 165x15 tyres has about the same clearance. I think you would have to be
> running very low pressures to cause significant deflection at the top of
> the tyre. Interestingly a friend  has an MGA with the same sized rims(15 x
> 5 inch wires) fitted with 185 x 15" tyres. I tried the wheels and tyres on
> my car and the gap between the tyre and top of the front spring did not
> change significantly. Trouble again is that living in a remote and
> underpopulated part of the world 185 x 15" tyres of the correct profile are
> no longer available here.
> 
> >
> >     I remember years ago discovering, with a BMW 1600/2 that I had in
> >     1967-70 that replacing cross ply tires with radials created a world of
> >     problems, with the macpherson strut suspension being much more
> >     sensitive to radial tire imbalances than to cross ply tire imbalances.
> >     I wondered about that with the Morgan, but decided that this
> >     suspension didn't really resemble a mac strut at all (actually....) so
> >     probably wouldn't have these problems.
> >
> >     The question, as I see it is this:Do Morgan owners prefer radial or
> >     cross ply tires? Part 2 of the question:, revisting a question that I
> >     caught the very tail end of just after getting on the eemail list:
> >     once suspension bits are rebuilt and set according to spec, how do
> >     people cope with shimmy?
> 
> The factory has been fitting radial tyres to new cars for upwards to 30
> years now. As the front suspension has not changed significantly since HFS
> increased the length of the kingpins in 1953 I think any problems
> experienced are more likely due to worn components or incorrect assembly
> rather than underlying design issues.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Steve Moore
> 
> Dr. Stephen Moore
> CSIRO Tropical Agriculture
> Molecular Animal Genetics Centre
> Level 3, Gehrmann Laboratories
> University of Queensland
> St. Lucia, 4072
> Australia
> 
> ph  61 7 3377 0476
> fax 61 7 3377 0480
> email Steve.Moore@tag.csiro.au
> 
>

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