I talked to the guys at Stovebolt; they have several different types of
these. I'm eventually going the dual carb root too.
Regards,
Doug Pewterbaugh
dpewter@msn.com
Denton, TX
49 3104 216 5-window
-----Original Message-----
From: David G Shier <dshier@rmi.net>
To: jack halton <safesix@worldnet.att.net>
Cc: avdoug@csn.org <avdoug@csn.org>; SAFESIX@att.net <SAFESIX@att.net>;
oletrucks@autox.team.net <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [oletrucks] heat, blowers, etc
>Jack, I am putting Fenton Headers and a Fenton 2 x 1 intake on an engine
very
>soon. The intake manifold is an older one but has spaces to run heat to
each
>of the two carb locations if I get heat to the bottom area of the intake
>manifold. I was thinking of making a plate for the bottom of this intake
>manifold and connecting it to the new headers from the header holes which
>would otherwise be plugged I guess If I did not do this step.
>
>Does Patrick or anyone else already have this plate and connecting pipes
that you
>know of?? This will be a fun around-town and low mileage application at
this
>point and due to the dry climate here we do not anticipate icing
conditions.
>
>I CAN TELL YOU however that due to my experience in restoring two old
airplanes
>that icing might occur in any region and the venturi effect is in fact,
very
>much in our lives.
>
>Sincerely,
>Dave Shier
>
>jack halton wrote:
>
>> By "Fenton Tube Treatment" I meant running tubing from the headers pipe
>> fittings to a plate bolted to the exhaust flange. Another message in this
>> thread also describes this. Clifford's catalog also shows a tubing
>> connection between their headers and an auxiliary plate below the carb.
This
>> is described as an option for those in cold climates, it does not heat
the
>> manifold but rather the carburetor. Maybe this would help reduce carb
icing.
>> My understanding is that icing occurs due to the venturi effect of fuel
>> being accelerated through the carburetor ( I could be totally off base
>> here ) and this was a constant concern of carbureted aircraft, like
W.W.II
>> fighter planes.
>>
>> An exhaust flange plate can also be used to pipe heated water (from the
>> heater hose path) to the intake. This is better than nothing, but only
>> applies heat to that area, and only if the manifold has that exhaust
flange.
>>
>> Classic Trucks ran a series called "Project Six-pack" a couple of years
ago
>> in which they said they would use a Holley injection system on a 292
Chevy
>> six. But in typical magazine fashion, the series stopped with no further
>> mention of induction. My guess is it didn't work out, and they didn't
want
>> to offend one of their biggest advertisers.
>>
>> I've seen a couple of blower-equipped Inline sixes, and once the physical
>> space problems from ungainly belt drives are sorted out, they work quite
>> well. A turbo really makes more sense, as everything is on the same side.
>> One of our Inliner gurus, Leo Santucci, is doing lots of research and
>> experimentation with turbo'ed inlines, and we expect a full report one of
>> these days.
>>
>> Jack / Winter Park FL
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Hughes <avdoug@csn.org>
>> To: <SAFESIX@att.net>; <oletrucks@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 9:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [oletrucks] heating a non-heated intake manifold?
>>
>> >
>> > Tell me more about the 'Fenton tube treatment'. This sounds like
>> > you bolt a copper pipe to the bottom of the intake then run water
>> > to it. This is something I had considered but I have never seen it
>> > done and would like to have an idea of what someone else has
>> > done.
>> >
>> > Of course I've also considered fuel injection or a blower (just to be
>> > a little more over the edge) anybody running a daily driver with
>> > an extreme setup like this?
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> > Doug
>> >
>> > From: SAFESIX@att.net
>> > Date sent: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:05:12 +0000
>> > Subject: Re: [oletrucks] heating a non-heated intake manifold?
>> > To: "Doug Hughes" <avdoug@teal.csn.net>
>> > Copies to: "Doug Hughes" <avdoug@teal.csn.net>,
>> oletrucks@autox.team.net
>> >
>> > > Manifold heat has been the topic of several articles in
>> > > the Inliners newsletter. The consensus seems to be that
>> > > water heat is preferable to running tubes to the exhaust
>> > > flange (if present), as it presents a constant, gentle
>> > > source of heat to the entire intake. Most aftermarket
>> > > intakes being alloy, the heat won't transfer as well if
>> > > only present in the middle. Some members have reported
>> > > good results from the Fenton tube treatment, though.
>> > > Carb icing hasn't really been mentioned as the reason
>> > > for adding heat, However - it's keeping the mixture from
>> > > puddling, and uneven distribution that presents most of
>> > > the problems when running an unheated intake. When the
>> > > fuel mixture enters a cold intake manifold, it tends to
>> > > turn back into a liquid, which doesn't disburse to the
>> > > runners very well. This is a major source of stumbles,
>> > > flat spots, poor gas mileage and generally bad
>> > > driveability on a inlines with "performance" intake and
>> > > exhaust systems.
>> > >
>> > > Of the older intakes, I think only the Edmunds came as a
>> > > water-jacketed version. Some Offies, and other
>> > > aftermaket intakes were cast with the exhaust flange,
>> > > but with headers you lose even that source of heat.
>> > > Clifford now makes a water-heated intake (single 4
>> > > barrel only, I think) for Chevy and GMC inlines. I have
>> > > one on my GMC and it has made a major improvement in
>> > > driveability.
>> > >
>> > > A log manifold like a Howard or McGurk can usually be
>> > > water heated pretty easily by welding on a tube to the
>> > > back of the plenum, but the Offy-type intake lacks room
>> > > to do this. If the manifold you are looking at does not
>> > > have the exhaust flange, which would at least afford
>> > > central heat from the Fentons, I would pass on it, or
>> > > plan on some surgery to add heat.
>> > >
>> > > Jack / Winter Park FL (no carb icing problems here)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >I'm looking for a used dual carb intake that is
>> > > >water heated because I understand they work
>> > > >much better than the non-heated variety. I have
>> > > >come across a non-heated offy that I might be
>> > > >able to get for a good price (includes carbs).
>> > > >Is there any way to get reasonable performance
>> > > >from this or should I buy it for the carbs and
>> > > >hold out for a water heated version?
>> > > >I'm not above attaching some heat mechanism to
>> > > >make it work better but I'm also not in a hurry
>> > > >so I can walk away with only minor regrets.
>> > > >btw. I plan to put fentons on as well so I won't
>> > > >be getting much direct heat from the exhaust.
>> > > >
>> > > >thanks to all,
>> > > >
>> > > >Doug
>> > > >
>> > > >oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and
>> > > 1959
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959
>
>oletrucks is devoted to Chevy and GM trucks built between 1941 and 1959
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