Tim,
Rivets ruckus and commercial adds may aggravate, but nothing chaps my hide
like people who don't prune their e-mail. ;-)
Bob
At 02:14 PM 3/24/00 -0800, tjordan wrote:
>Jan,
>These are not correct for the trim mouldings. How does the trim attach to
>the rivet? Why do a private auction on this piece and not on any of your
>other auctions?
>Tim
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jan Sven-Erik Harde <harde@cyberesc.net>
>To: tjordan <tjordan@wagnerprocess.com>
>Cc: TIGER LIST <tigers@autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 1:01 PM
>Subject: Re: My Orginality Philosophy
>
>
> > Tim,
> >
> > I see your point, but please review my listing on EBAY...
> >
> > *** WOW *** HERE WE GO, YOUR BID WILL INCLUDE A SET OF (4) OF THE CORRECT
> > RIVETS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, THEY ARE STILL IN THE ORIGINAL ROOTES
>BAG,
> > AND THE AUCTION IS PRIVATE, SO AS TO KEEP THINGS "PRIVATE" AND A VERY VERY
> > *LOW* RESERVE.... GOOD LUCK & HAPPY BIDDING ON THESE HARD TO FIND ITEMS,
>TO
> > COMPLETE THAT SPECIAL CORRECT RESTORATION !! E-MAIL WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
> >
> > No where does it say what they are for??
> > Although you could use them for what ever one wants to, VIN, side moldings
> > what ever.
> >
> > Please also remember that removal of the VIN plate has been done by every
> > car restorer since restorations started, you can buy new VIN plates for
> > AJaguar, MG, MGB (through MOSS Motors), Early Mini's and Early Volvo
>P1800's
> > used Small Phillips head screws..
> > I would venture to say that 99.99999% of all cars out there that have a
> > CORRECT resto. do the same, and it is just another service of providing a
> > part to make a car more like the original.
> > What ever the reason someone has a Repro plate, HOT fires with melting, a
> > body shop buffer or sander screwing it up, we all want our cars very
>pretty
> > and nice, and if someone does not like what I am selling GOD BLESS THEM, I
> > am not twisting arms to sell anything, and if not Happy, then just return
> > it, I do not see what the HOOPLA is all about??
> >
> > I have NEVER had one single complaint on these items, and there actually
>was
> > a part #, that is if you have the correct factory manual, and body shop
> > supplement.. And guess what they are one and the same numbers, just think
> > how would the factory have known what to use...
> >
> > Have a WONDERFUL weekend all, And HAPPY TIGERING...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tjordan <tjordan@wagnerprocess.com>
> > To: tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>; Jan Sven-Erik Harde
><harde@CyberEsc.net>
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 12:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: My Orginality Philosophy
> >
> >
> > > Jan,
> > > Having a Rootes bag and a part # does'nt necessarily mean the rivets are
> > > Tiger original or even factory replacements. There was never a part# on
> > the
> > > rivets to match up. As you know Rootes manufactured many models and
> > > supplied parts for all of them. These rivets could be for a Super Snipe
> > for
> > > Christ's sake! Are your rivets made from copper? Do you know what the
> > > original rivets for the chassis ID and spec plate were made of? Maybe
>a
> > > better description would be that you believe these rivets are a Rootes
> > > factory replacement. They are a good option for replacing a spec. plate
> > or
> > > chassis ID if you inadvertantly removed them for a restoration or had to
> > > repair due to collision or fire.
> > >
> > > Using these rivets with a reproduction chassis plate is not an issue.
>The
> > > issue is why the "car" is in need of the rivets and ID. Many Tiger
>owners
> > > have had to resort to repro ID due to fire or accidents. Most are
> > > forthcoming and will tell the story behind the new ID. Having a private
> > > auction only leads to the belief that these rivets will be used in a
> > covert
> > > and deceptive manner. With the many possible legitimate reasons to use
> > > these rivets, why the secrecy?
> > >
> > > Should we spread the word for the sake of our Marque and those
>prospective
> > > Tiger buyers that a car without a TAC certificate and with copper rivets
> > may
> > > be a RED flag for an "Alger" conversion?
> > >
> > > I don't have a Rootes bag, but if anyone is intersted I have several of
> > > these rivets in the correct metal configuration. They seem to be quite
> > > common at several hobby shops. They are very inexpensive.
> > >
> > > I have also heard some good things about Jan and agree with Mr. Laifmans
> > > testimony. Detailed and correct descriptions, along with an open
>auction
> > > may have been a better tack.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jan Sven-Erik Harde <harde@cyberesc.net>
> > > To: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>
> > > Cc: TIGER LIST <tigers@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 8:52 AM
> > > Subject: Re: My Orginality Philosophy
> > >
> > >
> > > > I do not think so, as they were sold by Rootes, they are in original
> > > Rootes
> > > > bags, with a Rootes parts # as well.., and at one time sold right at
>the
> > > > dealers, and certainly NOT illegal at all....
> > > > No registration with the government to own, not lethal nor very
> > dangerous
> > > at
> > > > all....
> > > > Certainly not as bad as having ILLEGALLY made repro. VIN tags on a
>car,
> > > > would you say???
> > > >
> > > > Have a GREAT weekend all.
> > > >
> > > > Jan...
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>
> > > > To: Margi & Norm <rootes1@best.com>; <tigers@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 9:38 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: My Orginality Philosophy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Norm,
> > > > >
> > > > > I suspect Jan, in cooperation with TAC, has mounted a sting
>operation.
> > > > This
> > > > > is consistent with the "private" auction format. As with guns, once
> > the
> > > > > authorities know who has them, the next step is confiscation. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Suckered in San Diego,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > At 09:14 AM 3/24/00 -0800, Margi & Norm wrote:
> > > > > >At 10:07 PM 3/23/2000 -0600, Mark Meswarb wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Check out these original Rootes rivets at "Pivate Auction" on
>eBay
> > > > > >
> > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&tc=ps&item=290009951
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Sound similiar to: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will
>have
> > > > guns."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >When I found them, they were at $40. Might just be a market
>here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Later,
> > > > > > >Mark
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Does anyone seriously believe that Jan Harde has and is selling
> > > original
> > > > > >Sunbeam Tiger chassis tag rivets? GIVE ME A BREAK
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Norm
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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