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Re: Defective Ball Joints?

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Subject: Re: Defective Ball Joints?
From: Tom Hall <modtiger@engravers.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:13:58 -0700
At 07:15 PM 6/21/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I have finally worked my way to the front end of my hangar queen. I noticed
>that  in the archives that there was lots of discussion last year around
>potentially defective ball joints that were coming apart. I have a set of
>uppers and lowers that were purchased quite a bit ago(mid 80's) and would
>like to know if there is any reason that I should not use them.
>
>I actually can't even remember who I bought them from! The mind is a terrible
>thing!
>They have the nylock nut on top and are stamped made in great Britain on the
>underside. Any way to tell a good from a bad?
I also forgot to ask for advice considering the fulcrum pin and bushing.
Should I replace the pin? As far as I know, they are all original- ca 1966.
What is a good source for the pin and associated bushings?

>Thanks....
>
>Paul
>b382001944

The Nylock nuts came on the Ball joints sold by most Sunbeam parts 
suppliers of that era.  We have had a running argument with the 
manufacturer for several years about these nuts as used on the lower ball 
joints.  The ball joints may or may not be the "best" of all designs (there 
have been about 6 different designs) but in any case you should toss the 
nuts and drill the threaded shanks for cotter keys at least on the 
lowers.  The uppers have not been problematical but the lowers have had 
several reports of unscrewing themselves while you drove down the road.  I 
know cause it happened to my daughter's Alpine.

The second point is that none of the Nylock nutted ball joints had the OEM 
copper plating.  As a result, the are much more prone to internal 
rusting.  This in fact was the ultimate cause of the ball joints unscrewing 
the Nylock nuts.   Be sure that your ball joints are rust free under the 
rubber boots and that you can turn (twist) the ball shank reasonably easily 
in the housing.  If not, I would toss them.  In any case, these latter 
designs without the copper rust protection should be lubricated with a 
marine style grease that includes lots of rust inhibitors.  You might also 
look for the alternative rubber boots to begin with as the originals were 
lot long lived.  You can find part numbers on archives of this list.

Rick's (SS) new ball joints are made so that the ball can not pass through 
the slot even if the internal components fail.  They will likely require 
more frequent lubrication as they have less plastic bearing surface than 
some earlier designs.  As long as your down there, take a good look at your 
rubber A-Arm bushings.   The rubber replacement bushings available for the 
last 10 to 15 years have had a very poor record.  Rick now has Urethane 
bushings available that we hope will solve this long standing problem.  As 
far as fulcrum pins are concerned, the only OEM design copies available are 
made by Doug Jennings of Tiger Auto of Dayton Ohio.  I use these on my own 
car in place of pins of unknown service history and recommend them to 
others.  Better a known chrome moly alloy with zero cycle history than a 
OEM pin with possibly 100,000 or maybe 100 cycles from a fatigue 
failure.  You never know until you hear it break.


All of this is IMHO.

Tom Hall


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