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When I built my 289 - mine's a Mark 2 - I assembled it as if it were a
modern L.A.T. car: modern Edelbrock manifold, modern Holley 4160 carb, mild
cam, Edelbrock aluminum heads, etc.. Out of respect for the purists all the
original parts sit in boxes in the garage in case a future owner wants to
make it concours. The original L.A.T. cam was a solid lifter cam. I can't
picture adjusting the valves on a Kitty every three months (or daily if
it's being raced...) but that;s what they offered.
I s'pose the question to be asked is what's "original", and why does it
matter? L.A.T. was an "option" but it wasn't "factory." Leaded gas was the
norm, and it's gone. We deal with the now, and it is what it is. After all,
it's our cars and we can do what we like with them.
If you want a 347, or a 302, have at it! My only concern is whether a
going-on-fifty-year-old car can handle the power, or whether fifth-year old
brake technology can stop the car in time if one is overdriving his / her
conditions.
Tom
67 Mark 2.
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <
tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Mike
>
> All opinions are welcome here.
>
> I personally think the 260 engine is an excellent engine for the Tiger.
>
> I'm not sure that a 302 crank in a 260 block needs to be notch but I have
> no experience with that.
>
> 245 hp would be gross hp as was the norm for reporting engine hp in the
> 60's.
>
> I have a listing for a 1963 - 260/ 260hp engine - dual 4 bbl - 12 to 1
> compression ratio and it looks like it has Cobra or LAT 27 style tri Y
> headers.
>
> Didn't Doan Spenser have a 14 to 1 compression 260 that produced over 300
> hp with gobs of torque?
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *mwoo=
d24020---
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:25 PM
> *To:* mwood24020@aol.com; tigers@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
>
> Oops...that was supposed to be for Allan. I guess all know how I feel
> about this topic, now LOL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mwood24020 <mwood24020@aol.com>
> To: tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
>
> Allan, to be honest, I can't imagine one reason to run a 260 based
> engine in a Tiger, except if the goal is winning concours. The idea of
> running a stroker 260 (even if only 302 crank) makes even less sense, as
> the lower end of the block needs to be machined/notched and you still end
> up with not much capability.
>
> The "245hp" 260 might have been a gross number, on a good day, with a
> tailwind...an honest 245hp from a 260 is likely going to need somewhere i=
n
> the 6500rpm range to happen, with correlative loss of power under the
> curve. :)
>
> Just my two cents, but not really wanting to stir this pot-
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> To: tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>; Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com=
>
> Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:04 pm
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
>
> Hello listers,
>
> I'm one of those folks who appreciates originality.
>
> I wanted my Tiger's 260 to meet the originality test while meeting my
> power demands.
>
> Alas, I didn't have the savvy to make that happen.
>
> For cruising, a stock 260 isn't a bad choice but for performance...cubes
> mater.
>
> So my stock engine went onto a stand and was replaced with a 5 bolt 289
> amended with a
> 302 rotating assembly... a 5 bolt 302 so to speak, making an acceptable
> 263 RWHP and comparable torque.
>
> Visually, few people question the difference although the aluminum heads
> do spark questions.
>
> I remain interested in the 260 engine - especially the 245 horsepower
> version advertised in period Tiger literature.
>
> Allan Ballard
> Atlanta, Georgia
>
> On 6/19/15 9:46 PM, Scott Hutchinson via Tigers wrote:
>
> In many ways it's the most fun part of it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright <gswaybright@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Scott,
> That's funny and all to true with car projects. My car started as a
> restore to stock project with a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next thi=
ng
> you know, it's a full on resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a kind
> suspension and other over the top upgrades. None of it makes sense after
> the fact, but when it's happening, each step seems like a small change of
> plan.
>
> Stephen Waybright
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Scott Hutchinson via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> *To:* Tom Witt <atwittsend@verizon.net>
> *Cc:* "tigers@autox.team.net" <tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2015 1:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
>
> In my case it was mission creep.
>
> Needed a throw out bearing. Pulled engine.
>
> Thought maybe a new clutch.
>
> Then, valve guides would be a good idea since there is no more lead.
> Screw in studs are a great way to strengthen the top end.
>
> At work a good friend wiped a cam on a 69 Camaro, so I thought a roller
> would be good.
>
>
> Gee that f4b on eBay looks nice.....
>
> I'm sure my story is unique....
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net=
>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 engine
> in the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an
> original car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with
> the modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no
> condemnation) why the pursuit? Is it the mentioned desire for originalit=
y
> (at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply the ques=
t
> for the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???
> >
> > The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a well
> chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power result
> for significantly less cost. Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal=
6
> cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what c=
an
> be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes
> against my practical/frugal nature.
> >
> > Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is the
> desired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional costs.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">When I built my 289 - mine's a Mark 2 - I assembled it=
as if it were a modern L.A.T. car: modern Edelbrock manifold, modern Holle=
y 4160 carb, mild cam, Edelbrock aluminum heads, etc.. Out of respect for t=
he purists all the original parts sit in boxes in the garage in case a futu=
re owner wants to make it concours. The original L.A.T. cam was a solid lif=
ter cam. I can't picture adjusting the valves on a Kitty every three mo=
nths (or daily if it's being raced...) but that;s what they offered.=C2=
=A0<div><br></div><div>I s'pose the question to be asked is what's =
"original", and why does it matter?=C2=A0 L.A.T. was an "opt=
ion" but it wasn't "factory." Leaded gas was the norm, a=
nd it's gone. We deal with the now, and it is what it is. After all, it=
's our cars and we can do what we like with them.</div><div><br></div><=
div>If you want a 347, or a 302, have at it! My only concern is whether a g=
oing-on-fifty-year-old car can handle the power, or whether fifth-year old =
brake technology can stop the car in time if one is overdriving his / her c=
onditions.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div>67 Mark 2.</div></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 20=
, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:tigers@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>>=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Mike</span></f=
ont></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>All=20
opinions are welcome here.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>I=20
personally think the 260 engine is an=C2=A0excellent engine for the=20
Tiger.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>I'm=20
not sure that a 302 crank in a 260 block needs to be notch but I have no=20
experience with that.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>245 hp=20
would be gross hp as was the norm for reporting=C2=A0engine=C2=A0hp in the=
=20
60's.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>I have=20
a listing for a 1963 -=C2=A0260/ 260hp engine - dual 4 bbl - 12 to 1 compre=
ssion=20
ratio and it looks like it has Cobra or LAT 27 style tri Y=20
headers.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Didn't=20
Doan Spenser have a 14 to 1 compression 260 that produced over 300 hp with =
gobs=20
of torque?</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Ron=20
Fraser</span></font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT:0px" dir=3D"ltr">
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" align=3D"left"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"T=
ahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Tigers=20
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>mwood24020--- via=
=20
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:25 PM<br><b>To:</b>=20
<a href=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">mwood24020@aol.co=
m</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@au=
tox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] 260=20
for the 21 century<br><br></font></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial;COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font color=
=3D"black" face=3D"arial"></font><span style=3D"DISPLAY:inline-block"></spa=
n></div>
<div>Oops...that was supposed to be for Allan. I guess all know how I fee=
l=20
about this topic, now LOL<br></div>
<div><br></div>-----Original Message-----<br>From: mwood24020=20
<<a href=3D"mailto:mwood24020@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">mwood24020@ao=
l.com</a>><br>To: tigers=20
<<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@aut=
ox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:12 pm<br>Subject:=20
Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century<br><br>
<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial;COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font color=
=3D"black" face=3D"arial"></font><span style=3D"DISPLAY:inline-block"></spa=
n></div>
<div>=C2=A0Allan, to be honest, I can't imagine one reason to run a 2=
60 based=20
engine in a Tiger, except if the goal is winning concours. The idea of ru=
nning=20
a stroker 260 (even if only 302 crank) makes even less sense, as the lowe=
r end=20
of the block needs to be machined/notched and you still end up with not m=
uch=20
capability.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>The "245hp" 260 might have been a gross number, on a good =
day, with a=20
tailwind...an honest 245hp from a 260 is likely going to need somewhere i=
n the=20
6500rpm range to happen, with correlative loss of power under the curve.=
=20
:)</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Just my two cents, but not really wanting to stir this pot-</div>
<div>Mike</div>
<div><br></div>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Allan Ballard via Tige=
rs=20
<<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@aut=
ox.team.net</a>><br>To:=20
tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tig=
ers@autox.team.net</a>>; Allan=20
Ballard <<a href=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com"; target=3D"_blank">a=
ballard@ix.netcom.com</a>><br>Sent:=20
Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:04 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21=20
century<br><br>
<div>
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">Hello=20
listers,<br><br>I'm one of those folks who appreciates originality. <=
br><br>I=20
wanted my Tiger's 260 to meet the originality test while meeting my p=
ower=20
demands.<br><br>Alas, I didn't have the savvy to make that happen.<br=
><br>For=20
cruising, a stock 260 isn't a bad choice but for performance...cubes=
=20
mater.<br><br>So my stock engine went onto a stand and was replaced with =
a 5=20
bolt 289 amended with a<br>302 rotating assembly... a 5 bolt 302 so to sp=
eak,=20
making an acceptable 263 RWHP and comparable torque.<br><br>Visually, few=
=20
people question the difference although the aluminum heads do spark=20
questions.<br><br>I remain interested in the 260 engine - especially the =
245=20
horsepower version advertised in period Tiger literature.<br><br>Allan=20
Ballard<br>Atlanta, Georgia <br><br>
<div>On 6/19/15 9:46 PM, Scott=20
Hutchinson via Tigers wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>In many ways it's the most fun part of it.=C2=A0<br><br>Sent f=
rom my=20
iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright <<a href=3D"=
mailto:gswaybright@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank">gswaybright@yahoo.com</a>&g=
t;=20
wrote:<br><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(255,255,255);FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica=
Neue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,=
0);FONT-SIZE:13px">
<div><span>Scott,</span></div>
<div><span>That's funny and all to=20
true with car projects. My car started as a restore to stock project =
with=20
a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next thing you know, it's a fu=
ll on=20
resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a kind suspension and other over =
the=20
top upgrades. None of it makes sense after the fact, but when it'=
s=20
happening, each step seems like a small change of plan.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif">Stephen=
=20
Waybright<br></div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Aria=
l,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Aria=
l,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:16px">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<hr size=3D"1">
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">F=
rom:</span></b> Scott=20
Hutchinson via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT:bold">To:</span></b> Tom Witt <<a href=3D"mailto:atwittsend@verizon.=
net" target=3D"_blank">atwittsend@verizon.net</a>>=20
<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Cc:</span></b> "<a href=
=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</=
a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tig=
ers@autox.team.net</a>>=20
<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June=
19,=20
2015 1:18 PM<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></=
b> Re:=20
[Tigers] 260 for the 21 century<br></font></div>
<div><br>In my case it was mission creep.=20
<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Needed a throw out bearing.=C2=
=A0 Pulled=20
engine.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Thought maybe a new clut=
ch.=C2=A0 <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Then,=C2=A0 valve guides wo=
uld be a good idea=20
since there is no more lead. Screw in studs are a great way to streng=
then=20
the top end. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">At work a good fri=
end wiped a=20
cam on a 69 Camaro, so I thought a roller would be good.=C2=A0 <br cl=
ear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Gee that f4b on eBay loo=
ks=20
nice.....<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I'm sure my story =
is unique....<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Sent =
from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">> On Jun 19, 2015, a=
t 1:15 PM, Tom Witt via=20
Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; shape=3D"rect" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">>=
<br clear=3D"none">> I've notice over the years a desire for many t=
o build (up)=20
a 260 engine in the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desir=
e to=20
keep an original car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains=
=20
original with the modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more =
than=20
curiosity (no condemnation) why the pursuit?=C2=A0 Is it the mentione=
d=20
desire for originality (at least to the block/heads that came in the =
car)?=20
Is it simply the quest for the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???<=
br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> The reason I ask is that my =
overly=20
practical, frugal nature sees a well chosen, $150 junk yard roller ca=
m 302=20
as producing a similar power result for significantly less cost.=C2=
=A0=20
Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal 6 cylinder motor (cast-in=
=20
intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what can be gotten out=
of that=20
with modifications. But actually doing it goes against my practical/f=
rugal=20
nature.<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> Anyway, just c=
urious as to=20
why the 260 over a 302 build if power is the desired result. Especial=
ly=20
with the parts scarcity and additional costs. <br clear=3D"none">>=
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