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FWIW - I recently served as a test rider for a new motorcycle product which=
allows running greatly reduced tire pressures without pinch-flatting. It w=
orked beautifully. But near the end of the long-term test I experienced a f=
ailure. The flat resulted from abrasion between the inner tube and tire - t=
he front inner tube had literally worn through in one location and showed s=
ignificant abrasion in several other spots. The tube in the rear wheel show=
ed significant abrasion as well but had not worn completely through. The on=
ly application to Tigers is to confirm that tube abrasion caused by tire fl=
ex and potentially elevated temperatures is a real phenomenon.
Terry Packer=20
9470018
From: wseay via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: Tom Witt <atwittsend@verizon.net>; tigers@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 9 Wheels
=20
Back in the day when radial tires were fairly new, I ran radials on my Tige=
r.=C2=A0 I also used a tube.=C2=A0 The tube was a heavy-duty (thicker) one =
that was made for radials.=C2=A0 I was told that the heavy-duty tube was ne=
eded because the sidewalls of a radial will flex and scuff the tube.=C2=A0 =
Don=E2=80=99t know if anyone makes a heavy-duty tube today or not.=C2=A0Wil=
l - wseay@embarqmail.com
______________________________
"I think not therefore I am not" (anon)=C2=A0
From: Tom Witt via Tigers Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:45 PMTo: tige=
rs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 9 Wheels=C2=A0A while back I re=
call looking into using a tube in a modern tire and the resounding answer w=
as NO. Apparently the interior tire surfaces are coarse and abraid the tube=
. Which then leaves the question who would produce a modern type tire and h=
ave the interior constructed to suit a very small minority of drivers?=C2=
=A0 Anyway, this is just a =E2=80=9CSafety First=E2=80=9D FYI.=C2=A0 I=E2=
=80=99m not saying people haven=E2=80=99t used tubes and had no issues. I=
=E2=80=99m just restating what I read.=C2=A0From: Jay Laifman via Tigers Se=
nt: Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:28 AMTo: Richard Bruner Cc: Tiger's Den S=
ubject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 9 Wheels=C2=A0That is the issue with both LAT whee=
ls - as I understand it.=C2=A0 I think there is a description about it on t=
he Sunbeam Specialties catalog.=C2=A0 The wheels did not have the groove on=
the inner lip for the tire bead to seat - or it was not as deep as more mo=
dern wheels.=C2=A0 That was one of the selling points of Rick's LAT wheels =
- he added a deeper groove.=C2=A0 So it sounds like people may put tubes in=
for that reason.=C2=A0On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Richard Bruner via T=
igers <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
Are the LAT 9 wheels supposed to be tubeless?=C2=A0 I took the old tires of=
f of mine, and they all had tubes in them.=C2=A0 I also need to refinish th=
e wheels, and I was hoping not to damage the original bare machined surface=
s with too harsh of an abrasive.=C2=A0 I was thinking soda blasting might b=
e the best choice?=C2=A0 Any suggestions?
Richard
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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4068"><span></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1446839813240_4144" dir=3D"ltr">FWIW - I recently served as a test rid=
er for a new motorcycle product which allows running greatly reduced tire p=
ressures without pinch-flatting. It worked beautifully. But near the end of=
the long-term test I experienced a failure. The flat resulted from abrasio=
n between the inner tube and tire - the front inner tube had literally worn=
through in one location and showed significant abrasion in several other s=
pots. The tube in the rear wheel showed significant abrasion as well but ha=
d not worn completely through. The only application to Tigers is to confirm=
that tube abrasion caused by tire flex and potentially elevated temperatur=
es is a real phenomenon.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4266" d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4328" dir=3D"ltr=
">Terry Packer <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4329" dir=3D=
"ltr">9470018<br> </div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4034" style=
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caNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-s=
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_1446839813240_4669" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weig=
ht:bold;">From:</span></b> wseay via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net><b=
r> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Tom Witt <atwitt=
send@verizon.net>; tigers@autox.team.net <br> <b><span style=3D"font-wei=
ght: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 6, 2015 11:22 AM<br> <b><span=
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Tigers] LAT 9 Wheels=
<br> </font> </div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4041" class=3D"y_=
msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv5668736496"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144683=
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MILY:'Arial';COLOR:#000000;">
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4044"><font id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144683=
9813240_4043" size=3D"4">Back in the day when radial tires were fairly new,=
I ran=20
radials on my Tiger. I also used a tube. The tube was a heavy-d=
uty=20
(thicker) one that was made for radials. I was told that the heavy-du=
ty=20
tube was needed because the sidewalls of a radial will flex and scuff the=
=20
tube. Don=E2=80=99t know if anyone makes a heavy-duty tube today or=
=20
not.</font></div>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4049" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt;FONT-FA=
MILY:'Arial';COLOR:#000000;">Will -=20
wseay@embarqmail.com<br clear=3D"none">______________________________<br cl=
ear=3D"none">"I think not therefore=20
I am not" (anon)</div>
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ECORATION:none;">
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52665058" id=3D"yiv5668736496yqt88041"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144683981324=
0_4805" style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5;">
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4804" style=3D""><b>From:</b> <a titl=
e-off=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:t=
igers@autox.team.net">Tom Witt via Tigers</a> </div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4806"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November=
05, 2015 1:45 PM</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4807"><b>To:</b> <a title-off=3D"" re=
l=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:tigers@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.t=
eam.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a> </div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4808"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] LA=
T 9 Wheels</div></div></div></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5668736496yqt8552665058" id=3D"yiv5668736496yqt31114"><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4809"> </div></div></div>
<div class=3D"yiv5668736496yqt8552665058" id=3D"yiv5668736496yqt30785"><div=
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ATION:none;">
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MILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000;">
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4810">A while back I recall looking i=
nto using a tube in a modern tire and the=20
resounding answer was NO. Apparently the interior tire surfaces are coarse =
and=20
abraid the tube. Which then leaves the question who would produce a modern =
type=20
tire and have the interior constructed to suit a very small minority of=20
drivers? Anyway, this is just a =E2=80=9CSafety First=E2=80=9D FYI.&n=
bsp; I=E2=80=99m not saying=20
people haven=E2=80=99t used tubes and had no issues. I=E2=80=99m just resta=
ting what I=20
read.</div>
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ECORATION:none;">
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4817" style=3D""><b>From:</b> <a titl=
e-off=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:t=
igers@autox.team.net">Jay Laifman via Tigers</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 05, 2015 6:28 AM</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4819"><b>To:</b> <a title-off=3D"" re=
l=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"gammaman@mokancomm.net" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:gammaman@mokancomm.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:gammaman@mok=
ancomm.net">Richard Bruner</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title-off=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"=
tigers@autox.team.net" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>Tiger's Den</a> </div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4820"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] LA=
T 9 Wheels</div></div></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4821"> </div></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4823" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-D=
ECORATION:none;">
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446839813240_4822" dir=3D"ltr">That is the issue w=
ith both LAT wheels - as I understand it. =20
I think there is a description about it on the Sunbeam Specialties=20
catalog. The wheels did not have the groove on the inner lip for the =
tire=20
bead to seat - or it was not as deep as more modern wheels. That was =
one=20
of the selling points of Rick's LAT wheels - he added a deeper groove. =
; So=20
it sounds like people may put tubes in for that reason.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv5668736496gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Ric=
hard Bruner via Tigers=20
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<blockquote class=3D"yiv5668736496gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MA=
RGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;">Are=20
the LAT 9 wheels supposed to be tubeless? I took the old tires off =
of=20
mine, and they all had tubes in them. I also need to refinish the=
=20
wheels, and I was hoping not to damage the original bare machined surface=
s=20
with too harsh of an abrasive. I was thinking soda blasting might b=
e the=20
best choice? Any suggestions?<span class=3D"yiv5668736496HOEnZb"><f=
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