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Thank you Terry, Dave and Joe for your kind responses. The plan has now bec=
ome to convert to DOT 5 along with rebuilding the brake system. I have alre=
ady installed a new clutch slave cylinder and waiting for a few more parts =
from Moss. Hoping they will not be down much longer.
Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
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From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 10:02 AM
To: Reihing, Randall S. <Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu>; Randall <TR3driver@c=
a.rr.com>; Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com>; Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team=
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Subject: Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: Brake fluids again
Making the switch without a complete flush doesn't harm anything. With DOT=
5 you will get improvements in brake/clutch line corrosion resistance, but=
to maximize it you might want to blow air through the drained lines to ge=
t as much of the old Dot 4 out as possible, since it will cling to the low =
spots in the lines after you drain the system.
I've run DOT 5 silicone ever since restoring my 3 in 2006. Really glad I d=
id.
On April 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing@utoledo=
.edu> wrote:
Hello All,
Thank you Randall for this valuable and important clarification.
I am in the process of replacing just the rotors, calipers and two of the f=
lexible brake lines to teh calipers. Can I drain out the existing DOT 4 and=
switch to DOT 5?
Or do I need to completely flush the entire system and replace all the whee=
l cylinder, master cylinder, and clutch master and slave cylinder seals whe=
n converting from DOT 4 to DOT 5?
Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Randall <TR3d=
river@ca.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 1:55 AM
To: 'Sujit Roy' <triumphstag@gmail.com>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.ne=
t>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Brake fluids again
All brake fluid is "synthetic" whether it says so on the can or not. It's
not made from petroleum distillate.
Yes, DOT 4 will absorb water, eat paint and so on. Castrol claims theirs
absorbs slower than others (the "LMA"), but it still absorbs.
DOT 5 is a completely different chemistry, a silicone oil rather than the
glycols used in DOT 3, 4 and 5.1. It does not absorb water, eat paint,
become corrosive over time, etc.
Look for the word "silicone" on the label. DOT 5 must have it, the others
cannot have it.
The word "synthetic" is totally meaningless for brake fluid.
FWIW, both of my Stags have DOT 5 in them.
-- Randall
> I'm rebuild brakes and clutch with new seal on a Stag. I have
> this brake fluid
>
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> oz.html
>
> which says DOT 4 synthetic (Castrol) . If it is synthetic,
> will it absorb water?
>
> I'm a bit confused as people are saying get DOT5. synthetic.
> Is the buzz word synthetic?
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Thank you Terry, Dave and Joe for your kind responses. The plan has now bec=
ome to convert to DOT 5 along with rebuilding the brake system. I have alre=
ady installed a new clutch slave cylinder and waiting for a few more parts =
from Moss. Hoping they will not
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mphs <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
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Making the switch without a complete flush doesn't harm anything. Wit=
h DOT 5 you will get improvements in brake/clutch line corrosion resistance=
, but to maximize it you might want to blow air through the drained l=
ines to get as much of the old Dot 4 out as
possible, since it will cling to the low spots in the lines after you drai=
n the system.
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I've run DOT 5 silicone ever since restoring my 3 in 2006. Really gla=
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ll S." <Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu> wrote:
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Hello All, </div>
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Thank you Randall for this valuable and important clarification. </di=
v>
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I am in the process of replacing just the rotors, calipers and two of the f=
lexible brake lines to teh calipers. Can I drain out the existing DOT 4 and=
switch to DOT 5?
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t; color:#000000">
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t; color:#000000">
Or do I need to completely flush the entire system and replace all the whee=
l cylinder, master cylinder, and clutch master and slave cylinder seals whe=
n converting from DOT 4 to DOT 5?
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t; color:#000000">
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Randall Reihing </div>
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<div class=3D"x_ox-739faab942-PlainText">All brake fluid is "synthetic=
" whether it says so on the can or not. It's
<br>
not made from petroleum distillate. <br>
<br>
Yes, DOT 4 will absorb water, eat paint and so on. Castrol claims the=
irs <br>
absorbs slower than others (the "LMA"), but it still absorbs. <br=
>
<br>
DOT 5 is a completely different chemistry, a silicone oil rather than the <=
br>
glycols used in DOT 3, 4 and 5.1. It does not absorb water, eat paint=
, <br>
become corrosive over time, etc. <br>
<br>
Look for the word "silicone" on the label. DOT 5 must have =
it, the others <br>
cannot have it. <br>
<br>
The word "synthetic" is totally meaningless for brake fluid. <br>
<br>
FWIW, both of my Stags have DOT 5 in them. <br>
<br>
-- Randall <br>
<br>
> I'm rebuild brakes and clutch with new seal on a Stag. I have <br>
> this brake fluid <br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> which says DOT 4 synthetic (Castrol) . If it is synthetic, <br>
> will it absorb water? <br>
> <br>
> I'm a bit confused as people are saying get DOT5. synthetic. <br>
> Is the buzz word synthetic? <br>
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