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RE: commission numbers

To: jamdav@woodward.com, 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: commission numbers
From: "Todd Bermudez" <red_tr250@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:14:53 -0500
here's a direct link http://www.heritage.org.uk/


>From: Jim Davis <jamdav@woodward.com>
>Reply-To: Jim Davis <jamdav@woodward.com>
>To: "6pack@autox.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>
>Subject: RE: commission numbers
>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:24:27 -0600
>
>Does anyone have the correct website address for the BMHIT?
>I did a search on yahoo but the address listed did not work.
>
>Jim Davis
>1974 TR6
>Colorado
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jon L. Fry [mailto:Jon@Fry.net]
>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM
>To: 6pack@autox.net
>Subject: RE: commission numbers
>
>
>Kind of a side note here.  I have spent some time with our local
>restoration guru.  He says that the law is a car can use any VIN that
>was used in the restoration.  So you could in fact have a frame from
>one car, a tub from a different, and the windshield from a third with
>the left front finder (my '69) from a fourth.  So you would have up to
>4 VIN's pretty easily.
>
>Jon Fry
>Jon@Fry.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-6pack@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-6pack@autox.team.net]On
>Behalf Of Rex Townsend
>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:40 AM
>To: Derek Graham
>Cc: 6pack@autox.net
>Subject: Re: commission numbers
>
>Thanks Derek,
>This secondary number on top of the crossmember may be a good starting
>point
>for those TR6 owners who have concerns about the authenticity of the
>commission, body or engine numbers of their cars.  I wouldn't be
>surprised
>if this secondary commission (VIN) number was a requirement for cars
>to be
>sold in the US.
>
>Rex
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Derek Graham" <Derek.Graham@ukgateway.net>
>To: "Rex Townsend" <rrt@connectexpress.com>
>Cc: "6pack@autox.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:09 PM
>Subject: RE: commission numbers
>
>
> > Rex,
> > You are absolutely correct. A lot of TR6 had the number stamped by
>the
> > factory onto the top of the chassis front crossmember on the
>carburettor
> > side of the car. The cars which had this carried out were noted on
>the
> > factory build records and included CC/CF spec. sixes exported to US
> > servicemen based in Europe, LHD cars exported to certain countries
>such as
> > Switzerland and CKD kits sent to Belgium for assembly at the
>Mallines
> > factory. Unfortunately for the cars affected as far as I know this
>isn't
> > noted on the Heritage Certificates issued by the BMIHT. I have
>however
>seen
> > a number of cars with the numbers in this place and which are quite
>visible
> > even on the injection cars.
> > Hope that this helps.
> > Derek Graham
> > CP54529-O
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-6pack@autox.team.net
>[mailto:owner-6pack@autox.team.net]On
> > Behalf Of Rex Townsend
> > Sent: 04 April 2002 07:26
> > To: 6 Pack
> > Subject: commission numbers
> >
> > I would be willing to bet that somewhere on a TR6 the commission
>number
> > (VIN) is stamped in some not-so-obvious location.  Almost all cars
>have
> > their VIN numbers in a secondary location as well as the public
>location,
> > including older British cars.  Way back in the late 1970's, I was
>working
>in
> > a bank in Phoenix, and we had a customer (I can't remember his
>name!) who
> > was a retired former head of the Arizona DOT.  He was a car buff and
>had
>an
> > incredible knowledge of car identifying numbers and their locations
>on all
> > sorts of cars.  He was hired by the Barrett-Jackson and the Kruse
>auctions
> > to authenticate the cars that were being offered at the big classic
>car
> > auctions to make sure that the paperwork matched the numbers on the
>cars.
> > Quite often he resorted to locating secondary numbers when something
>looked
> > amiss.  I remember that he said that even Model A Fords had a
>secondary
> > number stamped on top of a frame rail.  Well, anyway, about that
>time I
> > found a '63 Austin-Healey that I wanted to buy, but the car was sort
>of a
> > junkyard dog and I was a little suspect of its authenticity.  I
>asked the
> > former DOT guy if perhaps Healeys had a secondary number stamped
>somewhere.
> > He said, "Of course" and told me to carefully clean the weld at the
>top of
> > the RF suspension tower and that I would find the commission number
>stamped
> > into the weld with the numbers spaced very far apart.  He was right!
>I
> > would never have noticed it if I hadn't known to look there, but the
>number
> > was definitely stamped into the weld and I wound up buying the car.
>Anyway,
> > he said that there were books with all that information in them but
>they
> > were very tightly controlled, and that (at least in those days) only
>a few
> > people in his department had access to that information.  But,
>anyway,
>that
> > experience leads me to believe that if we could find someone who
>either
>was
> > a higher-up in a DMV office somewhere or who authenticated cars for
>one of
> > the big car auctions that they could tell us where secondary numbers
>are
> > located on TR6s.  Once you know the correct VIN (commission number)
>then
> > the British Heritage Trust can supply you with all the rest of the
>numbers.
> >
> > Rex Townsend
>
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