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Subject: Distributor_FAQ
From: "Thomas Walter" <ra0618@email.sps.mot.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 09:39:52 -0500
Distributor FAQ for the Datsun Roadster (R16/U20)
by Thomas Walter c 1997
last updated 8/27/97
original version 12/5/94

Distributors are often overlooked in routine maintenance. Seems 
everyone knows to replace the points, condenser, rotor and cap, but 
not to check and grease a few other items related to the centrifugal 
advance and vacuum advance.

The air/fuel mixture takes a certain amount of time to burn. Igniting 
the mixture  too early in the cycle cause problems, as will too late 
will waste fuel,  reduce power, and cause drivability problems.

Maximum total amount of advance for most 1600 and 2000's should 
be around  35 degrees at the crankshaft. The initial setting of timing 
should be 35 less the maximum centrifugal advance. 

The 68 and later roadsters came with a distributor that allowed 17.5 
degrees centrifugal advance, (distributor rotates once, for every two 
rotations of the crankshaft, hence 'crankshaft degrees' are twice the 
amount of 'distributor degrees'). The 17.5 at the distributor will 
translate to 35 degrees at the crankshaft.

So the '68, and later, roadsters with an ORIGINAL distributor should 
be set to TDC (Top Dead Center). While the engine will idle with this  
setting, it isn't producing as much power at the lower engine speeds  
to get moving from a standing start. You either to rev the engine into 
a higher power band, and slip the clutch. While this will get you 
moving, it won't help your clutch much! The TDC timing allowed 
NISSAN to pass smog test (tested at idle only during the '68-'70 
model years), but caused drivability problems.

By advancing the distributor to, say, 10 degrees BTDC (Before Top 
Dead  Center) you'll notice the improvement in drivability, especially 
getting off the line. HOWEVER, you'll have way too much total 
advance if you're using a stock "smog" distributor, leading to all sort 
of nasty problems in the engine.

After reading the above, why not do away with all the mess of the 
weights, springs, cams and just WELD everything together, and be 
done with it! That is fine for engine speeds above 4,000 rpm, and is 
commonly done with racing engines, but not ideal for a street driven 
car. If you try to start the engine with too much advance, the piston 
is moving slowly enough that the burning mixture starts producing
pressure 
before the piston makes it past TDC! This will rotate the engine in the 
wrong direction! Great way to blow the lid off the air-cleaner, or 
mess up your timing chains!

So to give a reasonable low rpm power , and not exceed to total 
maximum spark advance will require less centrifugal advance in the 
distributor. Thankfully this is what the '66-67 1600's were running! 
They have a maximum DISTRIBUTOR advance of 7.5 degrees, for a 
total of 15 Crank degrees. So with an initial setting of 16 BTDC, and 
an advance of 15 degrees, gives us a total of 31 degrees.  

The astute reader will note I earlier said the engines like a maximum 
of 35 degrees total advance, but this will vary with the grade of fuel, 
compression ratio, engine temperature, camshaft installed, and so on. 
The number 35 is an approximate, not absolute, number.

'68 and later roadsters (both 1600 and 2000) can benefit from a 
simple rework of the distributor.

To convert your '68 and later distributors the earlier specs, use:

       cam part number:        22132-14605    (for METRIC engines!)
       light spring number*:   22110-14600 --> I May have swapped
       heavy spring number:    22110-25600 --> these two numbers!
       weights, if needed :    22109-71300
*Part number has TWO SPRINGS in it, one light and one VERY HEAVY.

New weights were used, as 20 years of rubbing between the springs 
and weights had resulted in the spring cutting a slot into the weight 
mounting ear... the weights could flop around at will! Made for a very 
interesting timing problem.

Vacuum advance:

On the SU equipped engines, I recommend keeping the vacuum 
advance unit functional.  Under cruising conditions, the engine is 
"throttled" by the butterfly, hence the engine is not purging the 
cylinder as much as it would under WOT (Wide Open Throttle) 
conditions. The resulting fuel/air mixture  is "diluted" with exhaust 
gas,  needing a little more time to fully burn. The  vacuum advance 
will provide  for a longer burn time under this lightly loaded 
condition. 

The Solex crab's were designed with racing applications in mind, and 
do not have a vacuum advance port. DO not use the manifold 
vacuum, but just leave the vacuum advance can open. [Due to the 
difference in 'cylinder filling' the Solex equipped U-20's are timed at 
20 BTDC].

If you buy a NEW distributor:

For a 2000 engine, the ideal way would be to order a brand new '67 
model distributor. But they have been NLA for some time. You could 
order a  '66 1600 model one, which will have the correct advance, 
but comes with a different vacuum unit attached to it.

Also for 1600's: If you own a '68 - '70, I recommend using the earlier 
'non-smog' distributor from '66 - '67. Note that year will be using 
SAE screws, the '67.5 model distributor used metric screws but was 
not available when I check a few years ago. 


REBUILDING THE DISTRIBUTOR:

Assuming the bushings are still good, the distributor is easily rebuilt. 
If you can wiggle the distributor cam (the thing that rubs against the 
ignition points) the bushings in the distributor should be replaced. 
That is normally a job for a machine shop, so it may be easier to 
replace the distributor.  

If you have noticed the timing jumping all over the place when 
trying to adjust the timing, it may indicate either worn bushings, or 
worn advance springs, in either case it is worth while to inspect 
further before condemning the distributor. 

Rebuilding is straight forward. I recommend leaving the distributor 
cap, with the plug wires attached, in the car! Seems odd, especially if 
you always have 1-3-4-2 (the firing order) memorized, but saves 
times when you reinstall the distributor.

Pop off the cap.  Note the orientation the rotor. Make yourself a little 
sketch of the direction.  Carefully remove the distributor, now look at 
the bottom of the distributor, note the of location the "offset drive" 

To disassemble the distributor, start with removing the vacuum 
advance unit. Remove the two screws, and wiggle it to make it pop 
lose of the little tang (on the contact plate).  It is almost best to
have 
either an egg carton to hold the screws, or thread them back into the 
correct holes, so you know which ones went were later (they are 
different length).

Tip: I usually clamp the distributor on my workbench vise, using
two piece of wood between the distributor and vise jaws. To remove
stubborn screws, I firmly place a well fitting phillips screw driver
into the screw, and "wack" the back of the screw driver with a rawhide
mallet. If you use a metal hammer, you may split the screw driver
handle.

Note on the screws: The earlier 1600's ('66-67) used  standard fine
pitch 
SAE screws. The "half year" (67.5) used metric screws, but the threading
maybe unique. Do NOT loose those oddball screws, as you can not replace
them.  The later metric screws that complied to ISO standards have a 
little do on the head. These are easily replaced, if required. While
metric 
and SAE screws may seem to initially fit the wrong hole, you'll most
likely 
strip the hole if the screw is installed to far.  

Check the smoothness of the breaker plate pivot. The little  tab, for 
the vacuum unit, should move back and forth smoothly. A common 
problem is too long of a hold down screw holding the points down, 
and the plate doesn't slide!

Next slide the little plastic block out of the way. Inspect the wires 
going to the points, and the little ground wire.

Remove the two screws holding the breaker plate [Assembly - 
breaker in the parts book]. Lift it up and out of the way. There as 
some three little ball bearings held by a retainer on the bottom, also 
BETWEEN the sliding plates are three miniature ball bearings.  While 
you can disassembly the sliding plate, it is extremely easy to 
overlook those three -- near miniature -- ball bearings. Usually if the 
breaker plate does not slide, for the vacuum advance, it is best to 
replace is as a unit.

You now can observe the weights, and springs. If you hold the 
bottom pivot, and twist the top you should see the operation of the 
weights move out. Let go, and they should snap back into place.

You should disassembly everything, clean, inspect, and grease 
everything lightly to make sure it does the "twist and snap back 
when released."  White lithium grease is what to use here, not
heavy wheel bearing grease.

Remove the advance, clean off the old grease, regrease the post on 
which it rotates, and reassemble.

Now you'll be glad you made notes, as you could have easily put the 
top cam back 180 degrees off. If so, the rotor will be pointing at the 
wrong place, and one reassembled, you'll spend more time trying to 
figure out what went wrong. (It happens!)

Reassemble, noting the correct screws in the correct holes.

Even if you buy a BRAND NEW distributor, I still recommend 
disassembling it, and regreasing everything. I did just that, the 
grease was 25 years old, and dried rock solid!

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