Amici
One of the underlying fundamental reasons why there are many different
sanctioning organizations is that there is no consensus on vintage preparation
standards. Further, reflected in the differing standards is a fundamental
difference in philosophy about the preparation of cars for racing. And even
further, there is even more basic difference of philosophy about cars
themselves; General racing for example has typically only included cars that
have a
real race history.
On one extreme, we have only cars with an actual race history that
supposedly is prepared to the same specifications as when they were raced and
on
opposite end is newly constructed race cars utilizing new technology. For FOT
to have an event, it means that a compromise has to be reached to allow these
cars to compete together.
Philosophically, there is also a very big difference between drivers. On
one extreme there are people who simply want to have fun driving as fast as
they can with their car and the opposite extreme of someone who wants to win
a competition. It would seem that we should have an agreement amongst FOT for
those who want to compete as to the level of preparation allowed, a sort
very basic of FOT GRC for the Kastner Cup that preferably references an
already
existing GRC. If you are in not in compliance, you simply are not eligible -
but you can go on the track (if accepted by SVRA) to have fun driving your
car.
Thanks for listening, Cary
In a message dated 10/8/2007 9:13:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
lunkercars@earthlink.net writes:
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <lunkercars@earthlink.net>
> Date: October 8, 2007 10:11:14 PM MDT
> To: FOT <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN 2008
>
>>
>> FoTers,
>> I think Henry Morrison will be as surprised as I, to find myself
>> basically siding with him, as we've have had this discussion
>> several times before. However... Personally, I encourage expanded
>> eligibility for the sake of including later cars for bigger grids.
>> A 1980 Spit for example, has no specific advantage to a earlier
>> car as long as it is prepped to a specific GCR.
>> Regarding your car Keith, and with no disrespect as for it's high
>> level of preparation, wouldn't it be more concise to list what it
>> DID leave the factory with? To me " All original steel panels
>> except for GRP hood, trunk lid, drivers door, all 4 wings and
>> hardtop " is like saying " all original car except for body,
>> frame, engine and transmission". I don't even know what GRP is
>> [glass, resin, something?] but it sounds light to me! As for the
>> rest, over here, "trick", pertaining to racing, means state of
>> the art [which your car sounds to be] - not
>> "an act or scheme to out whit or deceive" {Webster}
>> I guess I don't really understand what the Kastner Cup is based on
>> - Someone please enlighten me. Again, no disrespect aimed at
>> anyone, but when I went to Miller for the K.C. this year, I
>> actually removed my drilled rotors [of dubious benefit] so there
>> would be no question as to "The Spirit of Vintage". My set of dual
>> Webers were and are on the shelf for the same reason. I have a
>> welder but won't use it to "improve" my diff for the same reason.
>> Most of the cars I raced with in Utah were from VARA who's rules
>> read:
>>
>> Engine:
>>
>> Same type/size as year of manufacture (0.060" overbore limit).
>> Period correct roller rocker arms are ok. No stud girdles.
>> Compression Ratio is limited to 10 to 1 maximum unless it can be
>> documented as higher from the factory as delivered for street
>> use. Block and heads must be OEM and period correct. No aluminum
>> flywheels. No dry sump oiling systems unless originally sold as
>> such. Oil coolers and radiators are free but must not conflict
>> with stock type appearance of body.
>>
>>
>> Carburetion:
>> Stock carb size and make per model series (same mfg & venturi
>> count). No Weber DCOE sidedrafts where not originally equipped.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------------------
>>
>> Sorry guys, but I didn't see any cars in compliance with the
>> exception of mine. And Nostalgia [host club] is even more strict
>> [?] than VARA. The Kastner Cup race winning TR6 was [as graciously
>> stated be the owner/driver] prepared to within an inch of it's
>> life to SCCA specs. It also took a overall 1st in our run group
>> [small bore - B]. If it wasn't for our "special" K.C. race, I
>> doubt if Nostalgia would have allowed the car in a vintage event -
>> not really fair to the others.
>> Based on the recent discussion, I don't see how my Vintage prepped
>> TR4 could possibly be competitive. Looks like my plans to attend
>> Watkings Glen have changed - unless someone can promise rain!
>> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
>> TR4 #314
>> Albuquerque N.M.
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