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I can second the quality control for Venolia pistons.=C2=A0 Several years a=
go, we
did a group buy of several sets of TR-4 pistons from Venolia.=C2=A0 I weigh=
ed
them when they got in, and matched them to sets based on weight.=C2=A0 Even
over the five sets (I think it was five, anyway), they were all very close.
By hand picking them, though, we were able to get all sets almost spot on.
=C2=A0
John
On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 08:52:27 -0500, Bill Tobin wrote:
Scott, I think they are more than double that but you get what
you pay for.
I weighed all my Venolias=C2=A0when I got them new and they were all dead
equal; right on their spec.
I have a more conservative redline in the TR6, 6000, but it will easily
go beyond that.
Happy New Year everyone.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Janzen
To: Spitfire Racing
Cc: FOT list
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons
=C2=A0
I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably eight
years. Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare- =C2=A0
0.6/1,000 of wear, max. =C2=A0They'll be going back in the engine again
with new rings. My recollection is they are about $75 each.
My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.
Sent from my mobile device=C2=A0
On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing wrote:
I did an engine rebuild for a GT-6 owner on his occasional track car
and against my recommendation he wanted the cheaper option of County
pistons. I had suggested using either J&E; Aries or Venolia forged
pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspend that much=E2=80=9D. I =
found their
weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best of my
awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and
given how nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another
build using them. The builder is always held responsible for any
failure regardless of cause. When I build a Spitfire engine using
proper forged pistons we dyno test at 7800. I would be nervous doing
that with County pistons.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I will say I admit to having general misgivings about anything made in
China but that=E2=80=99s based on experience. Why risk your reputation and
the expense of a total build by using cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a false
economy. I dreaded every time the phone rang for a month after
delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly met the
requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost in
mere minutes.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
County pistons may work for street car applications but are a risky
choice for the rigors of racing. Spinning a bearing indicates either
poor clearances or an oiling deficiency. A proper rebuild should check
and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t assume the one problem you find =
is
the only problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in expensive disaster.
=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99ll step off the soap box now!
=C2=A0
Choose wisely!
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Russ Moore
=C2=A0
Spitfire #49
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58 PM
To: 'FOT list'
Subject: [Fot] Opinion needed on GT6 pistons
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow club member and need to get =
an
opinion on County pistons.
=C2=A0
The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minutes on track until it s=
pun a
bearing. The pistons were new
=C2=A0
for the last build. Since I have no experience with the County brand
I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collective
=C2=A0
if they are descent racing pistons.
=C2=A0
Thanks as always,
=C2=A0
Jim g
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<p>I can second the quality control for Venolia pistons.=C2=A0 Several year=
s ago,
we</p>
<p>did a group buy of several sets of TR-4 pistons from Venolia.=C2=A0 I we=
ighed</p>
<p>them when they got in, and matched them to sets based on weight.=C2=A0 E=
ven</p>
<p>over the five sets (I think it was five, anyway), they were all very
close.</p>
<p>By hand picking them, though, we were able to get all sets almost spot
on.</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p>John<br><br>On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 08:52:27 -0500, Bill Tobin
<william.tobin31@verizon.net> wrote:</p>
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Scott, I think t=
hey are
more than double that but you get what you pay for.</span>
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">I weighed all my
Venolias=C2=A0when I got them new and they were all dead equal; right on th=
eir
spec.</span>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">I have a more
conservative redline in the TR6, 6000, but it will easily go beyond that.</=
span>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Happy New Year
everyone.</span>
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Bill</span>
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<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;">----- Original Message -----</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial; background: #e4e4e4; font-color:
black;"><strong>From:</strong> <a title=3D"sjanzen@me.com" href=3D"mailto:s=
janzen@me.com" target=3D"">Scott Janzen</a>
</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;"><strong>To:</strong> <a title=3D"spitfire_=
racing@twcny.rr.com" href=3D"mailto:spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com"; target=3D=
"">Spitfire Racing</a>
</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;"><strong>Cc:</strong> <a title=3D"fot@autox=
.team.net" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"">FOT
list</a>
</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;"><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, January 04,=
2016
8:16 AM</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Fot] Opinio=
n
needed on GT6 pistons</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>I've had a set of Venolia Pistons in my race GT6 for probably eight ye=
ars.
Just measured the skirt dimension against an unused spare- =C2=A0 0.6/1,000=
of wear,
max. =C2=A0They'll be going back in the engine again with new rings. My rec=
ollection
is they are about $75 each.<br>My routine redline is 7,000 rpm.</div>
<div><br>Sent from my mobile device=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>On Jan 4, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Spitfire Racing <<a href=3D"mailto:=
spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com" target=3D"">spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br><br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">I did an engine rebu=
ild for a
GT-6 owner on his occasional track car and against my recommendation he wan=
ted
the cheaper option of County pistons. I had suggested using either J&E;
Aries or Venolia forged pistons but he didn=E2=80=99t want to =E2=80=9Cspen=
d that much=E2=80=9D. I
found their weights to be less uniform but in all honesty to the best of my
awareness the engine is still running. These are made in China and given ho=
w
nervous they made me, I don=E2=80=99t think I would do another build using =
them. The
builder is always held responsible for any failure regardless of cause. Whe=
n I
build a Spitfire engine using proper forged pistons we dyno test at 7800. I
would be nervous doing that with County pistons.</span></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">I will say I admit t=
o having
general misgivings about anything made in China but that=E2=80=99s based on
experience. Why risk your reputation and the expense of a total build by us=
ing
cheap pistons. It=E2=80=99s a false economy. I dreaded every time the phone=
rang for a
month after delivering the car, but in this instance they seemingly met the
requirement. It takes years to build a reputation but it can be lost in mer=
e
minutes.</span></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">County pistons may w=
ork for
street car applications but are a risky choice for the rigors of racing.
Spinning a bearing indicates either poor clearances or an oiling deficiency=
. A
proper rebuild should check and correct only everything! Don=E2=80=99t assu=
me the one
problem you find is the only problem. Shortcuts predictably end up in expen=
sive
disaster.</span></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">I=E2=80=99ll step of=
f the soap box
now!</span></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Choose wisely!</span=
></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Russ Moore</span></p=
>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Spitfire #49</span><=
/p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
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erif';
font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-family:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounce=
s@autox.team.net" target=3D"">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <stron=
g>On Behalf Of
</strong>Jim Gray<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, January 03, 2016 9:58
PM<br><strong>To:</strong> 'FOT list'<br><strong>Subject:</strong> [Fot] Op=
inion
needed on GT6 pistons</span></p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m rebuilding and engine for a fellow club =
member and
need to get an opinion on County pistons.</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The last =E2=80=9C rebuild=E2=80=9D only lasted minu=
tes on track until
it spun a bearing. The pistons were new</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">for the last build. Since I have no experience with =
the
County brand I=E2=80=99d like to know from the collective</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if they are descent racing pistons.</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks as always,</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim g</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
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