Different strokes I guess. I don?t care what the other cars are as long as I?m
having fun. A CRX ruined the aesthetic? How many people were watching the TR3?s
run back in the day. I used to go to Thompson and Limerock to watch the sports
car races. Me and thirty other people. Sepia toned nostalgia is safe because it
doesn?t have to be real.
I know plenty of snobs who just think anyone who isn?t doing what they do is
wrong.
> On Mar 16, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Henry A. Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Solipsistic?
>
> I would keep vintage racing if I were racing with TR's and MG's etc. I went
> to a race and finished between a X1/9 and a RX7 and said why am I working so
> hard to keep my Elva running? Can I race a Dodge Neon or other POS?
>
> At the Last VSCDA event there was one Honda CRX in the field. Were these
> ever raced? Wait I know they were but NO ONE cared to watch. The CRX ruined
> the aesthetic of the field. Please forward my message to the owner and tell
> him to get a real car.
>
> I grew up in the 80's the cars sucked, they still suck. 1000 years shall
> pass and they shall still suck. I know very few people who long for those
> cars and do not wish to associate with them. Old bad wine, is still bad wine.
>
> Remember a Snob is merely one who appreciates that which is, good.
>
> I do appreciate all Triumphs.
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison
> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
>
> From: Bill <Bill at ponostyle.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 10:43 PM
> To: Paul Ricco
> Cc: Henry A. Morrison; Friends of Triumph
> Subject: Re: [Fot] New Cars, New Parts
>
> I?m trying to figure out what Henry is disagreeing with, or what Paul is
> saying. If you?re leaving vintage racing, why would you care what the rules
> are or what cars the organizations permit? And if vintage racing is dying,
> then how is accepting 80?s cars selling out for the entry fee? If you started
> racing in 86, then the cars from 1950 (probably older than whatever you
> raced) were 36 years old. Cars from 1980 are 38 years old. Does vintage mean
> just those cars that were cool when you were a kid? That?s a bit too
> solipsistic for me.
>
>>
>> Henry,
>>
>> Well put. We have really enjoyed 30 years of vintage racing and club
>> racing. However, I am seriously considering retiring from Vintage Racing
>> after this season and going back to club racing. I loved the open spirit of
>> CanAm in the day, but that is not what I got into vintage racing a vintage
>> 60?s era sports car for.
>>
>> We may give our race TR4 a well deserved frame off restoration and it can be
>> preserved as closely to the way it was raced during the late 60?s and 70?s
>> as possible. It can enjoy some restful retirement time with some of the
>> others that we really care for. We can focus our energy on prepping another
>> race car for Midwest Council or SCCA Club Racing, and not have to deal with
>> some of the dilemma?s that we are facing with car prep for vintage. Most
>> club racing organizations have made it very simple. If the rule book does
>> not say that you can make a specific modification, than you cannot make it.
>> It makes things a lot simpler.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>>
>>> I just can't disagree with this statement more.
>>> 1. Vintage racing is dying. There are way fewer cars and races than
>>> there were in 1986 when I started.
>>> 2. The newer cars and drivers scarcely know what a road course is.
>>> Car culture was different after '72 and especially now, just look at the
>>> current Fast and furious movies that sell the current car culture.
>>> 3. how many old TR gearboxes from my personal collection would you
>>> like to have delivered to your place tomorrow? Or buy some of the ones on
>>> ebay for $150, that seems to be the going rate.
>>> 4. Clubs that accept cars from the 80's are selling out for the entry
>>> fee, and in doing so driving me away in the process.
>>>
>>> Have a great racing season,
>>>
>>> Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is good to see that other clubs are allowing newer cars into their
>>> races. VARA has been doing this for several years so that we could
>>> survive, keep the club solvent and the cost of racing reasonable. The
>>> future of vintage racing is an expansion to cars from the 80?s and 90?s,
>>> they are long past their prime in other venues, cheap and they bring in new
>>> drivers. They are in fact ?vintage?, like our cars were in the 80? and
>>> 90?s. More important, these are the guys and gals that lusted for a
>>> certain hot car of the that era and now have older kids and the bucks to go
>>> racing. Without these folks our sport will pass along with us.
>>>
>>> The same is true of parts. Much of our equipment is worn out and not
>>> maintainable without great cost and effort any longer. Gear boxes are an
>>> example. I am down to my last good transmission case for my dog box. When
>>> that goes, or the gear set is toast, I am making the switch to a modern box
>>> (same ratios) that I can maintain. Like many of us I have missed races
>>> because of transmission failures. Tony runs a Ford 8? because he doesn?t
>>> want to get hurt, and it is bullet proof for racing, even has a weight
>>> penalty. A gear box switch is inevitable if we want to keep our cars on
>>> track at an expenditure of time and money that makes sense.
>>>
>>> There are tons of other parts that make engines last longer (and yes they
>>> make more power). An old TR motor is nothing but half a Chevy Small Block;
>>> those guys spent hundreds of millions developing motor parts that we can
>>> take advantage of. Same is true of blueprinting techniques, there are much
>>> better ways to build engines than ?back in the day? and if you read a book
>>> and learn how to do it the bloody lump lasts twice as long. Last time I
>>> had my motor out I could have put the coated bearings with 25 races on them
>>> back in. At 36 races I had <5% leak down on the rings and valves. Started
>>> out building the old school way, with old school parts, those days are over
>>> as I don?t have the time to spend five days in the shop for every day at
>>> the track.
>>>
>>> Oil. There is no such thing as cheap racing oil. Modern oil is the best
>>> it has ever been and makes the motor last. I had technical help from Lake
>>> Speed who is the ?man? for Joe Gibbs Driven race oil. The stuff is $18 a
>>> quart but will last 500+ miles in the car (4-6 race weekends). Just change
>>> the filter after every race and add on quart, total cost $30.00. I can run
>>> all the way down to 27 wt. (mixing) but just run the 30 wt. racing oil even
>>> at +100 degrees in the desert and the oil pressure is always spot on.
>>> Tight clearances, light oil and great bearing life, well worth the cost.
>>>
>>> My point in all of this is that ?vintage? racing is changing, both the cars
>>> and the people. We are going to have to accept and adapt or slowly see our
>>> sport fade. They willalways be a special place for those cars with a 50
>>> year race history, prepared exactly like it raced in 1965. For the rest
>>> of the grid, and those of us that don?t have cars with history, there are
>>> going to be cars with certain changes that get us to the track. Besides
>>> some of us are just SoCal Hot Rodders at heart with a touch of ?good ole
>>> boy? NACAR ingenuity. Now I need to get back to work on that 85% scale
>>> TR-4 body in aluminum, or possible carbon fiber???..Everyone have a great
>>> 2018 season racing!
>>>
>>> Ken
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