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To: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was: Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? Now how to ID flow outt he adapter?
From: Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 02:36:00 GMT
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
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Full-name: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch@netzero.net>
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The oiling system provides a significant amount of engine cooling.  It h=
as been a while since I have read the statistic, but I seem to recall it=
 accounts for about 40% of the engine's cooling.  When I first raced my =
1296+ Spitfire, it did not have an oil cooler, and it was overheating.  =
I installed an oil cooler and never had another overheating issue.  Mayb=
e the oil cooler was compensating for an inadequate radiator, but it wor=
ked. In my TR3 I often see oil temps over 220 deg F.  When pushing it ha=
rd the oil will get up around 280.  I have 2 oil coolers, one on each si=
de of the radiator.  Oil temp is measured in the pan.   Modern race oils=
 can take temps over 300 deg F without a problem.  Oil that is too cold =
can lead to moisture accumulations and sludge build up, in addition to r=
obbing horsepower. I have heard that NASCAR engines are always running o=
il over 300 deg.  So whether your engine needs a cooler depends on what =
oil temps you see on the track and if your cooling system needs some hel=
p.  Hot oil is a good thing.  Cool oil or excessively hot oil is not goo=
d.  Joe(B)


From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was: Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? Now how to ID fl=
ow outthe adapter?
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 12:02:07 +0100 (CET)

When starting road racing (circuit racing) I had an oil cooler in my car=
 just like about everyone else. The oil T=C2=B0 was always low, less tha=
n 100=C2=B0C/212=C2=B0F. In 2010, to get my car nearer the minimum weigh=
t, I removed the oil cooler and I'm racing always without the cooler sin=
ce then.Can't say that the oil T=C2=B0  is higher without the cooler, ma=
ybe a little bit, but still always lower than 100=C2=B0C , even after 1 =
hour races. I'd like to have the oil T=C2=B0 a bit higher!  So I believe=
 most Triumph TR 4 cyl  cars don't need an oil cooler at all, maybe the =
oil T=C2=B0 is remaining too low in sprint races. There are only 3 main =
bearings and 4 big end bearings to heat the oil by friction. Compared to=
 a modern engine, the oil isn't heated up much by the distribition parts=
 and in the cylinder head. About 80 bhp / litre is a lot for our old eng=
ines, but I think the modern oils have a rather easy life in it.Marcel
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<html><div>The oiling system provides a significant amount of engine coo=
ling.&nbsp; It has been a while since I have read the statistic, but I s=
eem to recall it accounts for about 40% of the engine's cooling.&nbsp; W=
hen I first raced my 1296+ Spitfire, it did not have an oil cooler, and =
it was overheating.&nbsp; I installed an oil cooler and never had anothe=
r overheating issue.&nbsp; Maybe the oil cooler was compensating for an =
inadequate radiator, but it worked.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>In my TR3=
 I often see oil temps over 220 deg F.&nbsp; When pushing it hard the oi=
l will get up around 280.&nbsp; I have 2 oil coolers, one on each side o=
f the radiator.&nbsp; Oil temp is measured in the pan.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>=
<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Modern race oils can take temps over 300 deg F wit=
hout a problem.&nbsp; Oil that is too cold can lead to moisture accumula=
tions and sludge build up, in addition to robbing horsepower. I have hea=
rd that NASCAR engines are always running oil over 300 deg.&nbsp; So whe=
ther your engine needs a cooler depends on what oil temps you see on the=
 track and if your cooling system needs some help.&nbsp; Hot oil is a go=
od thing.&nbsp; Cool oil or excessively hot oil is not good.&nbsp; Joe(B=
)</div><div><br><br><br>From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" &lt;fot@au=
tox.team.net&gt;<br>To: Rocky Entriken &lt;rocky@spitfire4.com&gt;<br>Cc=
: fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Was: Oil Cooler o=
r Oil filter first? Now how to ID flow outthe adapter?<br>Date: Thu, 6 D=
ec 2018 12:02:07 +0100 (CET)<br><br></div><div>When starting road racing=
 (circuit racing) I had an oil cooler in my car just like about everyone=
 else. The oil T&Acirc;&deg; was always low, less than 100&Acirc;&deg;C/=
212&Acirc;&deg;F. In 2010, to get my car nearer the minimum weight, I re=
moved the oil cooler and I'm racing always without the cooler since then=
.</div><div>Can't say that the oil T&Acirc;&deg;&nbsp; is higher without=
 the cooler, maybe a little bit, but still always lower than 100&Acirc;&=
deg;C , even after 1 hour races. I'd like to have the oil T&Acirc;&deg; =
a bit higher!&nbsp; So I believe most Triumph TR 4 cyl&nbsp; cars don't =
need an oil cooler at all, maybe the oil T&Acirc;&deg; is remaining too =
low in sprint races. There are only 3 main bearings and 4 big end bearin=
gs to heat the oil by friction. Compared to a modern engine, the oil isn=
't heated up much by the distribition parts and in the cylinder head. Ab=
out 80 bhp / litre is a lot for our old engines, but I think the modern =
oils have a rather easy life in it.</div><div>Marcel</div></html>

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