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FOT,
Dale - Thank you for the insights below. They are helpful.
It is sad to hear of the cancellations. Good for VARA making it =
possible to allow people a choice. Those that feel comfortable going to =
track can go, and those who do not can choose not to go. Sounds =
American to me.
We own a business that has been damaged by many of the decisions that =
that the government has made. =20
The two previously stated reason for registrations being down in this =
thread: Financial and Fear of COVID.
There are more reasons fo it, than just those two.
We have a 3rd reason for not registering: The policies and procedures =
that are having to be put in place for an event to happen.=20
We have a lot of respect for the race organizers at SVRA, VSCDA, Midwest =
Council and a few others. They are dealing with a lot to make events a =
possibility.
However, we feel that the insurance companies, the government agencies =
and others are really over reaching with some of the policies that they =
are recommending or forcing on business owners. Therefore, we are not =
entering events until all of this settles down. We value our time at =
the track very highly. We enjoy the track time and we especially the =
time with people whose company we really enjoy. We feel that the =
polices that are in place will detract greatly from both of those things =
happening.
Again, we do not fault the organizations for what they are doing. We =
just will not participate based on some of the procedures and polices =
being put in place.
Hopefully, there are brighter times ahead for those of who enjoy =
motorsports. Kind of like the golfers that we see out on courses when =
we drive-by courses in the area (BTW-We do not play golf). Seems like =
Covid does not exist for those who play golf, it is business as usual =
for them.
Look forward to seeing people at the track in the future.
Paul Ricco
> On May 16, 2020, at 10:22 PM, Dale Oesterle via Fot =
>=20
> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the =E2=80=9Cor =
otherwise language=E2=80=9D] hoping a court will scale it back and apply =
it to the maximum extent the law permits. [see the last section]. It is =
a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or =
intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to =E2=80=9Cgross =
negligence=E2=80=9D). Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an =
immediate defense to all defendants (=E2=80=9Creleasees=E2=80=9D) on the =
basis that the signer =E2=80=9Cfe[lt] unsafe=E2=80=9D (whatever that =
means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not =
give notice]. This is a trial lawyer=E2=80=99s delight and, at minimum, =
will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, =
running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff =
pre-injury has been collected and parsed. If you sign this, do not talk =
to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car =
is on the trailer and off the premises. Other language gives a defense =
based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have =
nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race =
organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. =20
>=20
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
>=20
>> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFVARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow.=20
>>=20
>> The car count looks about half of normal.
>>=20
>> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been =
held.=20
>>=20
>> California has not =E2=80=98Reopened=E2=80=99...
>>=20
>> Brad Eells
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot =
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment =
by one of our FOT racing attorneys. Not your standard form we never =
read.=20
>>>=20
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider =
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. =
Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and =
the race chair.
>>>=20
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July =
4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>>=20
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>>=20
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot =
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot =
>>>>=20
>>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>>=20
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com =
<http://motorsportreg.com/>) <autopilot@motorsportreg.com =
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com =
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in =
running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, =
volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled =
for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held. We recognize the importance of =
the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going =
Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is =
cancel and start planning for next year...=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport =
Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and =
support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting =
you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>>>=20
>>>> Stay healthy and safe. There are better days to come, many more =
laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>>>=20
>>>> =20
>>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo@gmail.com =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><meta=
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">FOT,</div><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D"">Dale - Thank you for the insights below. =
They are helpful.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It is sad to hear of the cancellations. =
Good for VARA making it possible to allow people a choice. =
Those that feel comfortable going to track can go, and those who =
do not can choose not to go. Sounds American to me.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We own a business that =
has been damaged by many of the decisions that that the government has =
made. </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The=
two previously stated reason for registrations being down in this =
thread: Financial and Fear of COVID.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">There are more reasons fo it, than just =
those two.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We =
have a 3rd reason for not registering: The policies and procedures that =
are having to be put in place for an event to happen. </div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We have a lot of respect =
for the race organizers at SVRA, VSCDA, Midwest Council and a few =
others. They are dealing with a lot to make events a =
possibility.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">However, we feel that the insurance companies, the government =
agencies and others are really over reaching with some of the policies =
that they are recommending or forcing on business owners. =
Therefore, we are not entering events until all of this settles =
down. We value our time at the track very highly. We enjoy =
the track time and we especially the time with people whose company we =
really enjoy. We feel that the polices that are in place will =
detract greatly from both of those things happening.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Again, we do not fault =
the organizations for what they are doing. We just will not =
participate based on some of the procedures and polices being put in =
place.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Hopefully, there are brighter times ahead for those of who =
enjoy motorsports. Kind of like the golfers that we see out on =
courses when we drive-by courses in the area (BTW-We do not play golf). =
Seems like Covid does not exist for those who play golf, it is =
business as usual for them.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
class=3D"">Look forward to seeing people at the track in the =
future.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Paul =
Ricco<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May 16, 2020, at 10:22 PM, =
Dale Oesterle via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">The waiver is legally over- =
broad [see, e.g., the =E2=80=9Cor otherwise language=E2=80=9D] hoping a =
court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law =
permits. [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers =
usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in =
some states cannot apply to =E2=80=9Cgross negligence=E2=80=9D). =
Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to =
all defendants (=E2=80=9Creleasees=E2=80=9D) on the basis that the =
signer =E2=80=9Cfe[lt] unsafe=E2=80=9D (whatever that means) at some =
time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. =
This is a trial lawyer=E2=80=99s delight and, at minimum, will cause =
defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up =
litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury =
has been collected and parsed. If you sign this, do not talk to =
anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is =
on the trailer and off the premises. Other language gives a =
defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough =
or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better =
tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. =
<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Dale =
Oesterle<div class=3D"">- Sent from iPad</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On May =
16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<meta =
http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D"">VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. <div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The car count looks =
about half of normal.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have =
been held. </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">California has not =E2=80=98Reopened=E2=80=99...<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Brad Eells<div =
class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 =
PM, John Styduhar via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font size=3D"4" class=3D"">The =
Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of =
our FOT racing attorneys. Not your standard form we =
never read. </font></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May =
15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <<a =
href=3D"mailto:garygret@sbcglobal.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">garygret@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">VSCDA is still planning on the =
Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been =
in touch with the track and the race chair.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Also the =
Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA =
& SCCA participants welcome.<br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Gary =
Schneider</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Midwestern Council Chief =
Steward for Blackhawk Classic<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>
=20
</div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_8202106836114834447gmail-m_6003184057457639173ydpb67c6fb2yah=
oo_quoted_0493238517" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica =
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)" =
class=3D"">
=20
<div class=3D"">
On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. =
Hasty via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
<div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_8202106836114834447gmail-m_6003184057457639173ydpb67c6fb2yiv=
2389832520" class=3D""><div class=3D"">
Can mid Ohio be far behind?<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John =
Styduhar via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF
<div =
id=3D"gmail-m_8202106836114834447gmail-m_6003184057457639173ydpb67c6fb2yiv=
2389832520yqt59525" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">
<div style=3D"font-size:small" class=3D"">FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand =
Prix for 2020 has been canceled.</div>
<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
From: <strong class=3D"">Ted Michalos (via <a =
href=3D"http://motorsportreg.com/"; =
class=3D"">MotorsportReg.com</a>)</strong>
<span class=3D""><<a shape=3D"rect" =
href=3D"mailto:autopilot@motorsportreg.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">autopilot@motorsportreg.com</a>></span><br=
clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled<br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
To: John Styduhar <<a shape=3D"rect" =
href=3D"mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">johnstydo@gmail.com</a>><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
</div>
<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"">
<br clear=3D"none" class=3D""><p class=3D"">After careful consideration =
of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand =
Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that =
this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be =
held. We recognize
the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given =
the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent =
thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... </p><p =
class=3D"">On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire =
Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the =
interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward =
to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.</p><p class=3D"">Stay =
healthy and safe. There are better days to come, many more laps to =
be taken in our vintage racing machines...</p><div class=3D""> <br =
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