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Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Piston Rings

To: Brad Eells <tr4abrad@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Piston Rings
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:39:05 +1000
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if JE are making pistons, surely they will supply rings???

In general, ring & piston design has improved a lot in recent decades

in most cases, you will head for a nitrided steel top ring, a steel centre
ring (possibly filled with something) and a 3-piece segmented oil ring

in many cases, they can now make a perfectly satisfactory top and second
ring at or under 1mm in thickness. Generally, the thinner it is, the lower
the friction but really thin rings require super careful honing and bed-in

best practise is to not have any slots behind the oil ring, but rather a
ring of small holes

some piston makers have all sorts of clever micro 'tricks" like
anti-flutter grooves they machine in the lands between the rings

Whomever supplies the rings will specify the final hone finish required

best practise is to use double "spiro-locks" to retain the gudgeon pin

Terry
Australia


On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 9:26 AM Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hello Amici,
>
> A discussion with my machine shop man led to some thoughts about piston
> ring selection.
>
> He recommended getting in touch with Total Seal. I of course took a look
> at their website to discover a mind boggling selection of ring types.
>
> Can any of you share your ring choices?
>
> I will be having JE Pistons make a custom set of forged pistons for me.
>
> I am in need of ring thickness dimensions as well. Should this come from
> the factory (GT6) pistons I currently have in the car?
>
> Your thoughts are appreciated!
> *Brad Eells*
> *Chino CA*
> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3*
> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4*
> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!*
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">if JE are making pistons, surely they will supply rings???=
<div><br></div><div>In general, ring &amp; piston design has improved a lot=
 in recent decades</div><div><br></div><div>in most cases, you will head fo=
r a nitrided steel top ring, a steel centre ring (possibly filled with some=
thing) and a 3-piece segmented oil ring</div><div><br></div><div>in many ca=
ses, they can now make a perfectly satisfactory top and second ring at or u=
nder 1mm in thickness. Generally, the thinner it is, the lower the friction=
 but really thin rings require super careful honing and bed-in</div><div><b=
r></div><div>best practise is to not have any slots behind the oil ring, bu=
t rather=C2=A0a ring of small holes=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>some pis=
ton makers have all sorts of clever micro &#39;tricks&quot; like anti-flutt=
er grooves they machine in the lands between the rings</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Whomever supplies the rings will specify the final hone finish require=
d</div><div><br></div><div>best practise is to use double &quot;spiro-locks=
&quot; to retain the gudgeon pin</div><div><br></div><div>Terry</div><div>A=
ustralia</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 9:26 AM Brad Eells vi=
a Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Hello Amici,<div><br></div><div>A discussion with my machine shop =
man led to some thoughts about piston ring selection.</div><div><br></div><=
div>He recommended getting in touch with Total Seal. I of course took a loo=
k at their website to discover a mind boggling selection of ring types.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Can any of you share your ring choices?</div><div><br=
></div><div>I will be having JE Pistons make a custom set of forged pistons=
 for me.</div><div><br></div><div>I am in need of ring thickness dimensions=
 as well. Should this come from the factory (GT6) pistons I currently have =
in the car?</div><div><br></div><div>Your thoughts are appreciated!<br clea=
r=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div d=
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tr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D=
"#000000">Brad Eells</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><fo=
nt color=3D"#000000">Chino CA</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8p=
x"><b><font color=3D"#000000">#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3</font></b></=
div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">#35 DP 1962 =
Triumph TR4</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=
=3D"#000000">1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!</font></b><br></div></di=
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