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Subject: Re: [Healeys] texas cooler
From: "Gary R. Brierton" <gbrierton@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:02:03 -0500
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In the late 60=E2=80=99s, driving my original BJ8 across the western US =
Deserts at an unreasonable speed, I lost one blade of the original 4 =
blade-2 piece fan.  Me being a very lucky SOB, the blade went straight =
down and buried itself in the chassis cross member!  Had it gone =
anywhere out of about a 45 degree arc, it would have taken out a front =
tire, the bonnet or the shroud with disastrous effect.  I removed the =
broken blade from the shaft, completed my trip and took the car back to =
the selling dealer in Rockford, IL for replacement. This was an original =
car, purchased new by me from the dealer.  I probably had 4-5,000 miles =
on it at the time of the mishap.=20
Another club member here in the Triad has lost one blade, twice in =
succession, on his BJ8.  Don=E2=80=99t know if they were originals.
GaryB

From: BJ8Healeys=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:41 AM
To: 'Healeys, Forum'=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] texas cooler

I replaced the original two-piece fan on my BJ8 with a series of fans of =
different design as one step in an effort to cool the engine down.  None =
 of the fans had much of an effect on coolant temperature, but some of =
them were noticeably louder with an objectionable whine.  I tried the =
Texas Kooler, which also did not in itself have an apparent effect on =
the coolant temperature, but it was quiet and I was happy enough with it =
to leave it installed.  I  have had no problems with it in the 14 years =
and 75000 miles since installing it.  I keep the original two-piece fan =
in the boot against the possibility that something might happen to the =
Kooler when I=E2=80=99m a long way from home.   It was the re-cored =
radiator and the sleeved thermostat that finally solved the cooling =
problem for me.

=20

The problems we have been discussing with blades breaking off the fans, =
I believe, is not with original fans but with the solid  (not riveted) =
multi-blade metal fans that people have used to replace the original =
fans, particularly the ones that Moss was offering for a while.  The =
parts manual shows a 6-blade fan available on BJ7s up to chassis 18808 =
not delivered to the UK market, and 8-blade and 16-blade fans for BJ8s =
intended for the German and Swiss markets.   Whether these have ever had =
a problem with failures, I do not know, but somehow I doubt it.  I once =
saw a fan blade poking through the bonnet of a car at Conclave.   It =
looked like a blade from an original two-piece fan, but I=E2=80=99m not =
sure of that.

=20

As far as changing the original oil filter canister, that was the first =
modification I did to my car after having a mess to deal with every time =
I  changed oil with the original.  Besides, the correct filter element =
was not available to me locally and I had to order them.  The spin-on =
oil filter does the same job without the mess, and I can get them =
anywhere. =20

=20

The only time my BJ8 has ever stranded me was when the generator =
bearings failed in Washington, DC.  It took me three days to find a =
place that could actually rebuild a Lucas generator while my car was =
parked at a highway patrol station (and, by the way, Healey Surgeons in =
a DC suburb did NOT have the correct generator for my car).  The =
alternator I replaced it with is available at any auto parts store.  My =
traveling companion had a failure of his alternator on the way home from =
Southeastern in Alabama a few years ago, and we had a replacement from =
the nearest parts store installed in about an hour.   Those of us who =
are accustomed to driving our Healeys far from home install most of =
these modifications for reliability and convenience.  At least, I do.

=20

Steve Byers

HBJ8L/36666

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC USA

=20

=20

 =20

=20

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
josef-eckert@t-online.de
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:15 AM
To: Jean Caron; Healeys, Forum
Subject: [Healeys] texas cooler

=20

=20

Jean,

I heart of broken blades on original one piece 6 blade fans which are =
special items for hotter climates, but not with the ordinary two piece 4 =
blade fans.

Friends some 10-20 years ago installed BMW 5Series plastic fans. Some =
reconed cooler water temperatures. I am still happy with the original =
fan blades and when I can get one of them I buy it and keep it. Its the =
same with original oil filter cases. I see no big improvement changing =
to cartridge ones. Or changing original generators for alternators. I =
think its for those who like to play with their cars. Often this causes =
more troubles than they had before.

=20

Josef Eckert

Konigswinter/Germany

=20



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<DIV>In the late 60=E2=80=99s, driving my original BJ8 across the =
western US Deserts at=20
an unreasonable speed, I lost one blade of the original 4 blade-2 piece=20
fan.&nbsp; Me being a very lucky SOB, the blade went straight down and =
buried=20
itself in the chassis cross member!&nbsp; Had it gone anywhere out of =
about a 45=20
degree arc, it would have taken out a front tire, the bonnet or the =
shroud with=20
disastrous effect.&nbsp; I removed the broken blade from the shaft, =
completed my=20
trip and took the car back to the selling dealer in Rockford, IL for=20
replacement. This was an original car, purchased new by me from the=20
dealer.&nbsp; I probably had 4-5,000 miles on it at the time of the =
mishap.=20
</DIV>
<DIV>Another club member here in the Triad has lost one blade, twice in=20
succession, on his BJ8.&nbsp; Don=E2=80=99t know if they were =
originals.</DIV>
<DIV>GaryB</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dsbyers@ec.rr.com=20
href=3D"mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com";>BJ8Healeys</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:41 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3DHealeys@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net";>'Healeys, Forum'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] texas cooler</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>I=20
replaced the original two-piece fan on my BJ8 with a series of fans of =
different=20
design as one step in an effort to cool the engine down.&nbsp; =
None&nbsp; of the=20
fans had much of an effect on coolant temperature, but some of them were =

noticeably louder with an objectionable whine.&nbsp; I tried the Texas =
Kooler,=20
which also did not in itself have an apparent effect on the coolant =
temperature,=20
but it was quiet and I was happy enough with it to leave it =
installed.&nbsp;=20
I&nbsp; have had no problems with it in the 14 years and 75000 miles =
since=20
installing it.&nbsp; I keep the original two-piece fan in the boot =
against the=20
possibility that something might happen to the Kooler when I=E2=80=99m a =
long way from=20
home.&nbsp;&nbsp; It was the re-cored radiator and the sleeved =
thermostat that=20
finally solved the cooling problem for me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>The=20
problems we have been discussing with blades breaking off the fans, I =
believe,=20
is not with original fans but with the solid&nbsp; (not riveted) =
multi-blade=20
metal fans that people have used to replace the original fans, =
particularly the=20
ones that Moss was offering for a while.&nbsp; The parts manual shows a =
6-blade=20
fan available on BJ7s up to chassis 18808 not delivered to the UK =
market, and=20
8-blade and 16-blade fans for BJ8s intended for the German and Swiss=20
markets.&nbsp;&nbsp; Whether these have ever had a problem with =
failures, I do=20
not know, but somehow I doubt it.&nbsp; I once saw a fan blade poking =
through=20
the bonnet of a car at Conclave.&nbsp;&nbsp; It looked like a blade from =
an=20
original two-piece fan, but I=E2=80=99m not sure of =
that.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>As=20
far as changing the original oil filter canister, that was the first=20
modification I did to my car after having a mess to deal with every time =
I&nbsp;=20
changed oil with the original.&nbsp; Besides, the correct filter element =
was not=20
available to me locally and I had to order them.&nbsp; The spin-on oil =
filter=20
does the same job without the mess, and I can get them anywhere.&nbsp;=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>The=20
only time my BJ8 has ever stranded me was when the generator bearings =
failed in=20
Washington, DC.&nbsp; It took me three days to find a place that could =
actually=20
rebuild a Lucas generator while my car was parked at a highway patrol =
station=20
(and, by the way, Healey Surgeons in a DC suburb did NOT have the =
correct=20
generator for my car).&nbsp; The alternator I replaced it with is =
available at=20
any auto parts store.&nbsp; My traveling companion had a failure of his=20
alternator on the way home from Southeastern in Alabama a few years ago, =
and we=20
had a replacement from the nearest parts store installed in about an=20
hour.&nbsp;&nbsp; Those of us who are accustomed to driving our Healeys =
far from=20
home install most of these modifications for reliability and =
convenience.&nbsp;=20
At least, I do.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>Steve=20
Byers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>HBJ8L/36666<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>BJ8=20
Registry<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>AHCA=20
Delegate at Large<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'>Havelock,=20
NC USA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
#1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
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#1f497d'>&nbsp;=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<DIV=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
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"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys=20
[mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>josef-eckert@t-online.de<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 31, =
2014 3:15=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Jean Caron; Healeys, Forum<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Healeys] =
texas=20
cooler<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
black'>&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
black'>Jean,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
black'>I heart=20
of broken blades on original one piece 6 blade fans which are special =
items for=20
hotter climates, but not with the ordinary two piece 4 blade=20
fans.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
black'>Friends=20
some 10-20 years ago installed BMW 5Series plastic fans. Some reconed =
cooler=20
water temperatures. I am still happy with the original fan blades and =
when I can=20
get one of them I buy it and keep it. Its the same with original oil =
filter=20
cases. I see no big improvement changing to cartridge ones. Or changing =
original=20
generators for alternators. I think its for those who like to play with =
their=20
cars. Often this causes more troubles than they had=20
before.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 3.75pt; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P>
<P=20
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mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
black'>Josef=20
Eckert</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: =
black'>Konigswinter/Germany</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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