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Ya know oil doesn't stay in my car very long anyway to worry about.
Seriously, I found the problem m The back of the valve cover was flat,
plus the gasket had slid forward
Mr. Ira Erbs
On Jun 20, 2015 8:21 AM, "WILLIAM B LAWRENCE" <ynotink@msn.com> wrote:
> Greg, I don't think the brand matters much. They all have to meet the API
> specification. I think all the rest is marketing.
>
> ------------------------------
> From: glemon@neb.rr.com
> To: ynotink@msn.com; healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW: Oil again
> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 01:02:40 -0500
>
> Thank you Bill, although it doesn't tell me which brand to pick, your
> clear explanation of the oil codes and changes in formulation give a very
> good background for someone trying to muddle through the oil choice issues
> classic car drivers face these days, and understand why oil
> choice/availability had become a significant issue.
>
> Greg Lemon
>
> *From:* WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 18, 2015 6:58 PM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Healeys] FW: Oil again
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: ynotink@msn.com
> To: michael.oritt@gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [Healeys] Oil again
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:08:45 +0000
>
> I see I'm late to the party on this topic. I was up in the Rocky Mountains
> participating in the Glenwood Springs Rallye when it started and frankly I
> wish I still were. However, at the risk of being called ignorant,
> uninformed, commie pinko or whatever I have a little information that may
> be of help in sorting out the oil confusion.
>
> Engine oil comes in generations as defined by the additive packages which
> are blended in to tailor them for specific purposes. These generations can
> be traced by the API codes which are located on the container.
>
> The API code is two letters found on the label. The first letter is
> either a C, which denotes the oil is intended for use in a compression
> ignition engine, or an S which denotes it is intended for use in a spark
> ignition engine.
>
> The second letter denotes the type of use intended and follows the
> development of the internal combustion engine from the most primitive (A)
> to the most sophisticated (I think they are at O Now). protective amounts
> of zinc were dropped from the additive package at SM. Any oil before that,
> or say from SD through SL, still contains zinc.
>
> It may be true that zinc is not necessary for engines after the camshaft
> break-in, but I prefer to be cautious on that score so I look for oil that
> is SL or earlier. I'll let the more informed and adventurous members
> conduct that experiment...
>
> Some heavy duty oils such as Chevron Delo or Rotella are rated for both
> compression ignition and for spark ignition service and will show both a C
> and an S rating. In some cases those oils will still have an SM or later
> rating.
>
> The one oil type I have found that is reliably rated below SM is four
> stroke motorcycle oil because motorcycles don't have catalysts. Typically
> it is rated SF or SG. Since the oil has no way of knowing it is being run
> in an automotive engine and my Healey doesn't know the oil it's spewing is
> meant for a motorcycle I have been running Castrol 4T in 20W-50 grade quite
> happily.
>
> As for the controversy part, if we start banning contentious topics we
> soon won't have anything to talk about like most modern college campuses.
>
> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
>
> ------------------------------
> From: michael.oritt@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 06:14:11 -0400
> To: javrugtman@htcnet.org
> CC: healeys@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil again
>
> We ALWAYS talk about oil and no one seems to have the answer, so we
> simply keep talking about it.
> For a change let's talk about politics or religion, two topics which are
> susceptible to absolute rectitude. Many or most of us do not have the
> correct answers on either and someone here--perhaps an unknown lurker--may
> choose to now come forward with his or her enlightenment and reveal it to
> us.
>
> To mix a metaphor, I now listen with a jaundiced eye.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 7:45 PM, John Vrugtman <javrugtman@htcnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> politics and religion, like water and oil, don't mix. On the other hand,
> oil and Healeys mix very well.
> JAV
>
> On 6/12/2015 7:16 PM, Richard Kahn wrote:
>
> I think topics like politics, religion, and oil should be taboo. There is
> no best in any of these topics.
> Rich Kahn
>
>
>
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Ya know oil doesn't stay in my car very long anyway to w=
orry about. Seriously,=C2=A0 I found the problem m The back of the valve co=
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 20, 2015 8:21 AM, "WILLIAM B LAWRENC=
E" <<a href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.com";>ynotink@msn.com</a>> wrot=
e:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
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<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Greg, I don't think the brand matters much. They =
all have to meet the API specification. I think all the rest is marketing.=
=C2=A0<br><br><div><hr>From: <a href=3D"mailto:glemon@neb.rr.com"; target=3D=
"_blank">glemon@neb.rr.com</a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.com"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">ynotink@msn.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
FW: Oil again<br>Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 01:02:40 -0500<br><br>
<div>Thank you Bill, although it doesn't tell me which brand to pick, y=
our clear=20
explanation of the oil codes and changes in formulation give a very good=20
background for someone trying to muddle through the oil choice issues class=
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car drivers face these days, and understand why oil choice/availability had=
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<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Greg Lemon</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt Tahoma">
<div><br></div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"ynotink@msn.com" href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">WILLIAM B LAWRENCE</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 18, 2015 6:58 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:healeys@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] FW: Oil again</div></div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>
<div>
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/a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">mic=
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RE: [Healeys] Oil again<br>Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:08:45 +0000<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I see I'm late to the party on this topic. I was up in=
the Rocky=20
Mountains participating in the Glenwood Springs Rallye when it started and=
=20
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=20
uninformed, commie pinko or whatever I have a little information that may b=
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help in sorting out the oil confusion.=C2=A0=20
<div><br></div>
<div>Engine oil comes in generations as defined by the additive packages wh=
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<div><br></div>
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most sophisticated (I think they are at O Now). protective amounts of zinc =
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dropped from the additive package at SM. Any oil before that, or say from S=
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through SL, still contains zinc.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It may be true that zinc is not necessary for engines after the camsha=
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break-in, but I prefer to be cautious on that score so I look for oil that =
is SL=20
or earlier. I'll let the more informed and adventurous members conduct =
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experiment...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Some heavy duty oils such as Chevron Delo or Rotella are rated for bot=
h=20
compression ignition and for spark ignition service and will show both a C =
and=20
an S rating. In some cases those oils will still have an SM or later=20
rating.</div>
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<div>The one oil type I have found that is reliably rated below SM is four=
=20
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ly it is=20
rated SF or SG.=C2=A0<span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt">Since the oil has no wa=
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knowing it is being run in an automotive engine and my Healey doesn't k=
now the=20
oil it's spewing is meant for a motorcycle I have been running Castrol =
4T in=20
20W-50 grade quite happily.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>As for the controversy part, if we start banning contentious topics we=
soon=20
won't have anything to talk about like most modern college campuses.</d=
iv>
<div><br></div>
<div>Bill Lawrence</div>
<div>BN1 #554<br><br>
<div>
<hr>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">michael.=
oritt@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 06:14:11 -0400<br>To:=20
<a href=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org"; target=3D"_blank">javrugtman@htcne=
t.org</a><br>CC: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
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Oil again<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff">We ALWAYS talk about oil and=20
no one seems to have the answer, so we simply keep talking about it.=20
=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff">For a change let's talk about=20
politics or religion, two topics which are susceptible to absolute rectitud=
e.=20
Many or most of us do not have the correct answers on either and someone=20
here--perhaps an unknown lurker--may choose to now come forward with his or=
her=20
enlightenment and reveal it to us. =C2=A0<br></div>
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff"><br></div>
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff">To mix a metaphor, I now=20
listen with a jaundiced eye.</div>
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff"><br></div>
<div style=3D"COLOR:#3333ff">Best--Michael=20
Oritt=C2=A0</div></div>
<div><br>
<div>On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 7:45 PM, John Vrugtman <span dir=3D"ltr"><<=
a href=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org"; target=3D"_blank">javrugtman@htcnet=
.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">
<div>politics and religion, like water and oil, don't mix.=C2=A0 On t=
he other=20
hand, oil and Healeys mix very well.<br>JAV<span><br><br>
<div>On 6/12/2015 7:16 PM, Richard Kahn wrote:<br></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think topics like politics, religion, and oil should=
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