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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gas Gauge
From: Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:49:15 +0200
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If a sender is not working properly it may be that a wrong type is 
fitted with a float lever rod that is to short, to long or bend in the 
wrong way. If it is to short the dial will indicate the full range from 
empty to full while the tank is not full when it reads empty correctly 
or the other way around. If the lever rod is to long the dial will not 
read its full scale indicating partially full when full and/or partially 
full when empty. Lengthening or shortening is a fairly easy operation 
but needs some experimenting and a dead level floor.
Also a bend lever may lead to faulty readings similar to those above.

On the early coil type gauges you can fit a big capacitor to counteract 
more or less the continuous restless moving about of the needle which 
you do not have on the later bi-metal gauges that give a steady reading.
Kees Oudesluijs



Op 26-8-2015 om 13:27 schreef Michael Salter:
> Actually a Healey fuel gauge can be made to work very accurately. The 
> gauge in my 100 is as steady as a rock and a very accurate indicator 
> of the tank contents.
> The only change I made was to add a tiny connecting link between the 
> float arm and the body of the gauge sender as in the attached pic.
> Prior to doing this I had no idea that a gauge of this type could work 
> so well.
>
> Michael S
> BN1 #174
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:18 AM, John Spaur <jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net 
>
>     Yes! Will you ever be able to adjust it so it works even remotely
>     close to
>     accurate? I don't think so. There are many posts covering issues
>     with the
>     fuel gauge and tank unit. My gauge and sender were "calibrated" by
>     a couple
>     of shops. The sender is a restored original. Afterwards, it would
>     still
>     stick on full, then when over half a tank was used it would drop
>     to 1/2,
>     then 1/4 and stop.
>
>     I finally calibrated my gauge, with a little more success than the
>     professionals, using the calibration unit in this link:
>     http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/fg_01.htm BTW, I pulled the
>     sender out of
>     the car and calibrated it on the bench. You will need to
>     approximate the
>     high and low limits which are determined by the depth of the
>     petrol tank.
>
>     Be warned, it still is almost fruitless. I believe the problem is
>     caused by
>     how the fuel gauge T and B coils line up with the armature. The
>     fuel gauge
>     needle is connected to the armature and swings based on the
>     magnetic current
>     supplied by the sending unit. Over the years the coils have tilted and
>     cannot be properly aligned with the armature when the nut is
>     tightened. This
>     throws off the adjustment.
>
>     Let me know how it goes.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     John Spaur
>     '62 BT7
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">If a sender is not working properly it
      may be that a wrong type is fitted with a float lever rod that is
      to short, to long or bend in the wrong way. If it is to short the
      dial will indicate the full range from empty to full while the
      tank is not full when it reads empty correctly or the other way
      around. If the lever rod is to long the dial will not read its
      full scale indicating partially full when full and/or partially
      full when empty. Lengthening or shortening is a fairly easy
      operation but needs some experimenting and a dead level floor.<br>
      Also a bend lever may lead to faulty readings similar to those
      above.<br>
      <br>
      On the early coil type gauges you can fit a big capacitor to
      counteract more or less the continuous restless moving about of
      the needle which you do not have on the later bi-metal gauges that
      give a steady reading.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Op 26-8-2015 om 13:27 schreef Michael Salter:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default">Actually a Healey fuel gauge can be
          made to work very accurately. The gauge in my 100 is as steady
          as a rock and a very accurate indicator of the tank contents.<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">The only change I made was to add a
          tiny connecting link between the float arm and the body of the
          gauge sender as in the attached pic.<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">Prior to doing this I had no idea
          that a gauge of this type could work so well.<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">Michael S<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">BN1 #174<br>
        </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:18 AM, John
          Spaur <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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          <blockquote class="gmail_quote">Yes! Will you ever be able to
            adjust it so it works even remotely close to<br>
            accurate? I don't think so. There are many posts covering
            issues with the<br>
            fuel gauge and tank unit. My gauge and sender were
            "calibrated" by a couple<br>
            of shops. The sender is a restored original. Afterwards, it
            would still<br>
            stick on full, then when over half a tank was used it would
            drop to 1/2,<br>
            then 1/4 and stop.<br>
            <br>
            I finally calibrated my gauge, with a little more success
            than the<br>
            professionals, using the calibration unit in this link:<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/fg_01.htm";
              rel="noreferrer" 
target="_blank">http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/fg_01.htm</a>
            BTW, I pulled the sender out of<br>
            the car and calibrated it on the bench. You will need to
            approximate the<br>
            high and low limits which are determined by the depth of the
            petrol tank.<br>
            <br>
            Be warned, it still is almost fruitless. I believe the
            problem is caused by<br>
            how the fuel gauge T and B coils line up with the armature.
            The fuel gauge<br>
            needle is connected to the armature and swings based on the
            magnetic current<br>
            supplied by the sending unit. Over the years the coils have
            tilted and<br>
            cannot be properly aligned with the armature when the nut is
            tightened. This<br>
            throws off the adjustment.<br>
            <br>
            Let me know how it goes.<br>
            <br>
            Regards,<br>
            <br>
            John Spaur<br>
            '62 BT7<br>
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