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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil
From: Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 10:24:38 +0100
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If there are bronze/brass baulk/synchro rings in the gearbox it is best 
to be on the safe side and not use EP oils that contain halogens F, Cl, 
Br, I as these may attack the bronze/brass components. Sunbeam for that 
matter stipulated to use SEA 30 or 20W50 engine oil. I do not see a 
reason to take the risk using EP oils. They do not ad much if anything. 
Straight or detergent containing does not matter much if you change the 
oil on a regular basis as prescribed in those days. Oil is cheap so I 
change the oil in my gearbox every time I change the engine oil, i.e. 
once a year. Use a drain plug with a magnet.

Modern gearboxes may not even have a drain plug as the oil is never 
changed and we have become used to that!

Kees Oudesluijs



Op 2-11-2016 om 1:21 schreef Simon Lachlan:
>
> 30wt non detergent.
>
> Drips? Hard to tell but I don?t think so. Certainly no more than before.
>
> Gear change/overdrive??......just about noticeable improvement on 
> previous 20/50.
>
> Better for the gearbox?s internals? The jury remains out on that one!
>
> Worth it? Well there?s nothing earth shatteringly different. Do it if 
> you?re draining anyhow. Or if you are having sluggish OD 
> changes...might help.
>
> Overall observations:- 1) make sure that you?ve got the filter and the 
> magnets. Doesn?t make much difference what oil you use if they?re missing.
>
> 2) Consider swapping the mad notched drain plug monstrosity for the 
> earlier one with the spanner/socket friendly hex. Once that?s done, 
> the whole process becomes much easier.
>
> Steve?s right.....this topic is a real Golden Oldie.
>
> You?ll have noticed that threads related to the choice of oils brings 
> out some fairly spirited remarks!?
>
> Simon
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *Team.net
> *Sent:* 01 November 2016 18:20
> *To:* BJ8Healeys
> *Cc:* Ahealey help
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil
>
> I tried Redline at one point and the gearbox leaked profusely. 
>  Changed back to 30wtnd and now only have the typical drips.
>
> Moral to the story: all our cars are different so what works for one 
> may not work for others.
>
>     On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:06 PM, BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com
>
>     Another question that will result in a lot of different opinions.
>     I've always used 30-weight non-detergent oil in my gearbox and
>     overdrive.  Non-detergent according to the theory that because
>     there is no oil filter in the system non-detergent oil allows any
>     wear particles to settle out of the oil instead of being
>     continuously circulated through the mechanicals.
>
>     Steve Byers
>
>     HBJ8L/36666
>
>     BJ8 Registry
>
>     AHCA Delegate at Large
>
>     Havelock, NC
>
>     *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net]*On Behalf
>     Of*Charlie Schott
>     *Sent:*Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:45 AM
>     *To:*Richard Kahn; Richard Ewald
>     *Subject:*Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil
>
>     Will someone please tell me what weight of oil to use in a BJ8
>     gearbox with overdrive. Thanks.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Charlie Schott
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">If there are bronze/brass baulk/synchro
      rings in the gearbox it is best to be on the safe side and not use
      EP oils that contain halogens F, Cl, Br, I as these may attack the
      bronze/brass components. Sunbeam for that matter stipulated to use
      SEA 30 or 20W50 engine oil. I do not see a reason to take the risk
      using EP oils. They do not ad much if anything. Straight or
      detergent containing does not matter much if you change the oil on
      a regular basis as prescribed in those days. Oil is cheap so I
      change the oil in my gearbox every time I change the engine oil,
      i.e. once a year. Use a drain plug with a magnet.<br>
      <br>
      Modern gearboxes may not even have a drain plug as the oil is
      never changed and we have become used to that!<br>
      <br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Op 2-11-2016 om 1:21 schreef Simon Lachlan:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>30wt non detergent. </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Drips? Hard to tell but I don?t think
            so. Certainly no more than before.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Gear change/overdrive??......just
            about noticeable improvement on previous 20/50. </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Better for the gearbox?s internals?
            The jury remains out on that one!</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Worth it? Well there?s nothing earth
            shatteringly different. Do it if you?re draining anyhow. Or
            if you are having sluggish OD changes...might help.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Overall observations:- 1) make sure
            that you?ve got the filter and the magnets. Doesn?t make
            much difference what oil you use if they?re missing.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>2) Consider swapping the mad notched
            drain plug monstrosity for the earlier one with the
            spanner/socket friendly hex. Once that?s done, the whole
            process becomes much easier. </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Steve?s right.....this topic is a
            real Golden Oldie.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>You?ll have noticed that threads
            related to the choice of oils brings out some fairly
            spirited remarks!?</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Simon</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US"> Healeys
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
 <b>On Behalf Of
                </b>Team.net<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 01 November 2016 18:20<br>
                <b>To:</b> BJ8Healeys<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I tried Redline at one point and the
          gearbox leaked profusely.  Changed back to 30wtnd and now only
          have the typical drips.</p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Moral to the story: all our cars are
            different so what works for one may not work for others.</p>
          <div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:06 PM,
                    BJ8Healeys &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com";>sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>&gt;
                    wrote:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Another question that
                        will result in a lot of different opinions. 
                        I've always used 30-weight non-detergent oil in
                        my gearbox and overdrive.  Non-detergent
                        according to the theory that because there is no
                        oil filter in the system non-detergent oil
                        allows any wear particles to settle out of the
                        oil instead of being continuously circulated
                        through the mechanicals.</span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                  </div>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Steve Byers</span></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>HBJ8L/36666</span></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>BJ8 Registry</span></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>AHCA Delegate at 
Large</span></p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Havelock, NC <span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span
                            
class="apple-converted-space"><span> </span></span><span>Healeys
                            [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";><span>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</span></a>]<span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                              Behalf Of<span
                                
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Charlie
                            Schott<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
                            November 01, 2016 9:45 AM<br>
                            <b>To:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Richard
                            Kahn; Richard Ewald<br>
                            <b>Cc:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><span>healeys@autox.team.net</span></a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                            [Healeys] Gearbox oil</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Will someone please
                              tell me what weight of oil to use in a BJ8
                              gearbox with overdrive. Thanks.</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regards,</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Charlie Schott</span></p>
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