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To: "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt@gmail.com>, "David Nock" <healeydoc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Coolant Expansion Bottle
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:36:37 -0800
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Yes but if the car has a non pressurized system it may not pull the =
coolant back when it cools down


David Nock
British Car Specialists
209-948-8767
www.britishcarspecialists.com

From: Michael Oritt=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 9:21 AM
To: David Nock=20
Cc: Austin Healey=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Coolant Expansion Bottle

David--

Yes, a sealed cap which includes those with the button vent that =
essentially pulls in and seals when there is a vacuum in the system =
below it.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:33 AM, David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com> =
wrote:

  It will only draw the coolant back and forth from the expansion tank =
if the radiator cap is a sealed cap.=20

  David Nock
  healeydoc@sbcglobal.net
  209 948 8767
  www.britishcarspecialists.com

  From: Michael Oritt=20
  Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:31 AM
  To: Patrick & Caroline Quinn=20
  Cc: Austin Healey=20
  Subject: Re: [Healeys] Coolant Expansion Bottle

  Patrick--

  The system will draw coolant back into the system from the expansion =
tank only if the end of the hose is submerged in coolant, either because =
it enters the tank from the bottom or from the top in which case, as =
Kimo points out, the hose clamps must be tight so that the vacuum =
created within the radiator is preserved in order to draw liquid.

  Best--Michael Oritt

  On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn =
<p_cquinn@tpg.com.au> wrote:

    G=E2=80=99day



    I know the subject of fitting a coolant expansion bottle has been =
covered before, but this has a twist as it concerns a Healey and not an =
Austin-Healey.



    Our Healey Duncan has its original cooling system that is =
unpressurised. It=E2=80=99s assisted by an electric fan in front of the =
radiator, but with our warmer climate it persists is dumping its coolant =
out through the overflow pipe.



    The radiator cap is a screw on type and the overflow pipe exits the =
radiator header tank separately in front of the cap. Being unpressurised =
there is nothing to stop the hot and expanded coolant from exiting via =
the overflow pipe.



    I am thinking of fitting a coolant expansion bottle but am wondering =
if this will work on an unpressurised system. It seems to me that it =
should not make any difference, because if the coolant cannot escape to =
the outside world when it expands then it should flow back into the =
radiator once it cools.



    Any opinions?



    Thanks



    Patrick Quinn

    Blue Mountains, Australia


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<DIV>Yes but if the car has a non pressurized system it may not pull the =
coolant=20
back when it cools down</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">David=20
Nock<BR>British Car=20
Specialists<BR>209-948-8767<BR>www.britishcarspecialists.com</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dmichael.oritt@gmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>Michael Oritt</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 15, 2016 9:21 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dhealeydoc@gmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com";>David Nock</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>Austin Healey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Coolant Expansion =
Bottle</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">David--</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">Yes, a sealed cap =
which includes=20
those with the button vent that essentially pulls in and seals when =
there is a=20
vacuum in the system below it.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">Best--Michael =
Oritt</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:33 AM, David Nock =
<SPAN=20
dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"=20
target=3D_blank>healeydoc@gmail.com</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">
  <DIV>It will only draw the coolant back and forth from the expansion =
tank if=20
  the radiator cap is a sealed cap. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century'; COLOR: =
#000000">David=20
  Nock<BR><A href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net"=20
  target=3D_blank>healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</A><BR>209 948 8767<BR><A=20
  href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com"=20
  target=3D_blank>www.britishcarspecialists.com</A></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
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  <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
  <DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dmichael.oritt@gmail.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D_blank>Michael =
Oritt</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:31 AM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dp_cquinn@tpg.com.au =
href=3D"mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au"=20
  target=3D_blank>Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dhealeys@autox.team.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D_blank>Austin =
Healey</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Coolant Expansion =
Bottle</DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>
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  <DIV class=3Dh5>
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  <DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">Patrick--</DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">The system will =
draw coolant=20
  back into the system from the expansion tank only if the end of the =
hose is=20
  submerged in coolant, either because it enters the tank from the =
bottom or=20
  from the top in which case, as Kimo points out, the hose clamps must =
be tight=20
  so that the vacuum created within the radiator is preserved in order =
to draw=20
  liquid.</DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"COLOR: #3333ff">Best--Michael=20
Oritt</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Patrick =
&amp; Caroline=20
  Quinn <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au"=20
  target=3D_blank>p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ccc 1px solid">
    <DIV lang=3DEN-AU vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue">
    <DIV class=3Dm_2118124728570370457m_7435241687470160984WordSection1>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'>G=E2=80=99day<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>I =
know the=20
    subject of fitting a coolant expansion bottle has been covered =
before, but=20
    this has a twist as it concerns a Healey and not an=20
    Austin-Healey.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'>Our Healey=20
    Duncan has its original cooling system that is unpressurised. =
It=E2=80=99s assisted=20
    by an electric fan in front of the radiator, but with our warmer =
climate it=20
    persists is dumping its coolant out through the overflow=20
    pipe.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'>The radiator=20
    cap is a screw on type and the overflow pipe exits the radiator =
header tank=20
    separately in front of the cap. Being unpressurised there is nothing =
to stop=20
    the hot and expanded coolant from exiting via the overflow=20
    pipe.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"'>I =
am=20
    thinking of fitting a coolant expansion bottle but am wondering if =
this will=20
    work on an unpressurised system. It seems to me that it should not =
make any=20
    difference, because if the coolant cannot escape to the outside =
world when=20
    it expands then it should flow back into the radiator once it=20
    cools.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'>Any=20
    opinions?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'>Thanks<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
Roman","serif"'>Patrick=20
    Quinn<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New =
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    Mountains,=20
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