My comment was poorly worded as well.? I didn't mean to disparage
Fourintune--about which I've heard and read nothing but great
things--but was thinking 'anyone that WOULD do this is shady.'
Bob
On 5/14/2018 6:42 AM, i erbs wrote:
> Also in the 70s and 80s a number of shops were just trying to salvage
> wrecks and get cars back on the road. You could buy a running car for
> $500-1500. They were just cool old cars of not much value. No intent
> of deception, just working to save what we could. Fast forward 40
> years and 40 times the value and some of these cars are now an issue
> as plates don't match the car...
> If I had known then, I would have bought as many cars as I could. I
> guess I did, I bought one :)
> I've owned my car for 42 years and paid $500.00?for it.
>
> Ira Erbs
> Portland, OR
> typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018, 5:04 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers at ec.rr.com
>
> *From: *Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net
>
> *Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ7 or BJ8*
>
> *Date: *May 13, 2018 at 11:06:49 AM EDT
>
>
> "...car that was created by Fourintune out of two junked BJ8s and
> they put a BJ7 VIN plate on it and sold it to someone in New York
> state"
>
> Hmmm ... Am I the only one who thinks this was a bit shady?
>
> Bob
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> From my first post about the subject, in my effort to be brief it
> has been suggested to me that I was slandering Fourintune. This
> was not my intention, so I think I need to provide some additional
> details and correct the statement about the BJ7 VIN plate.
>
> In about 1988, Fourintune did build a single BJ8 from two wrecked
> cars (as told to me by the owner of that car).? Since I have a
> photo of the car with a Wisconsin license plate, I assume that
> Fourintune registered the car in Wisconsin, but if so I do not
> know the VIN used.? Fourintune sold the car to someone in New York
> state.? He was apparently fully aware of the origin of the car
> because he told me about it and provided photos of the scrapped
> vehicles, but he did not pay much attention to its VIN and was not
> aware of a discrepancy until I told him about it when I saw the
> car at Watkins Glen in 2000.? The VIN plate on the firewall read
> HBJ8L/23397 (photo attached) -- a BJ8 prefix but a BJ7 chassis
> number (not a BJ7 plate as I previously stated).? The plate is
> also the very late BJ8 style with rounded ends, instead of the
> typical rectangular plate.? There was no body plate nor engine
> serial number.
> There is no evidence or reason to say, nor was I trying to do so,
> that Fourintune was engaging in deceptive or unethical activity by
> creating one car from two, nor in creating a VIN plate that had
> two obvious clues to the fact that it was not original factory
> issue, would not duplicate the VIN on any other BJ7 or BJ8, and
> they did not conceal the true origin of the car from its next
> owner when they sold it.
>
> The New York owner later moved to North Carolina and when he
> applied for a title here the DMV inspector noticed there was a
> discrepancy between the number on the plate and the number on the
> NY title (which read HBJ7L23397).? ?Why the NY title has a valid
> BJ7 VIN on it is not known, but was probably a simple mistake (or
> it may have been a mistake on the WI title).? Because of this
> discrepancy, the owner was required to obtain a surety bond for
> 1-1/2 times the value of the car for a period of three years.? The
> NC DMV attached a new plate to the firewall with their own number,
> NCS89924, and that is the number that the car is now registered with.
>
> There is a lesson to be learned here.? VINs are important.? There
> are a LOT of cars out there that have had identity plates
> recreated or exchanged with other cars.? As BJ8 Registrar for
> almost 20 years now, I can tell you several other stories of grief
> owners have had in trying to register cars when the paperwork and
> VINs did not agree.? Are you sure that the plates on your car are
> original factory-issue and belong to it? Is the VIN correct on the
> title and other paperwork?
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC
>
>
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