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Re: [Healeys] Black faces

To: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Black faces
From: Michael Salter <michael.salter@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 16:29:57 -0500
Cc: Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>, i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>
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Glad someone is paying attention ... obviously I'm not..=F0=9F=98=9E

M

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:31 PM Jean Caron <
vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ira,
>
> It looks like you and Michael are talking about two different models here=
.
> Michael is giving you the references about the Austin-Healey 100 and you
> own a BN4 which does not have the same front pieces.
>
> Having said that, your car has only one  front =E2=80=9CX=E2=80=9D brace =
and yes it is
> painted black. As far as the =E2=80=9Cair intake Deflector is concerned, =
it is also
> painted black  as well as the brace at the bottom of it.
>
> The rear shroud bottom edge is also painted semi gloss black, on some car=
s
> BJ8 it has been seen is glossy black. I do not have photos of this area b=
ut
> that is the area where your rear shroud meets the rear floor, held by fla=
t
> head rivets.
>
>
>
> Jean
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael
> Salter <michael.salter@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:54:20 PM
> *To:* i erbs
> *Cc:* Ahealey help
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Black faces
>
> Again from the Concours Guidelines. 2018 Edition Pg 91.
>
>
> * Double front X-braces immediately behind the grille are painted body
> color, except some white cars had this brace painted black 44. =E2=80=A2 =
Front
> inner apron panels fastened to vertical division panels using pan head
> Phillips screws and large flat washers, which were also painted body colo=
r.
> Very early cars have been found to have only the horizontal panel and not
> the vertical one. In these cases where the vertical panel is missing, the
> two holes located on the front-to-back center portion of the panel are
> missing.  On OEW 100s where the engine compartment was painted black, the=
se
> inner apron panels were also black.*
>
>
> *44 If you find your car fits the exception document it and restore, as
> you believe it was.  Otherwise, paint the braces body color. *
>
> Michael Salter
> Technical Editor (Big Healeys)
> The Austin-Healey Concours Registry
>
>
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>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 1:43 PM i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can someone post a photo of the lip?
>> My brace is painted blue, but everyone tells me to paint it black before
>> I reinstall my grille... What about the air dam, should it be black or b=
ody
>> color?
>> Ira Erbs
>> Portland,OR
>>       _______                                  _______
>>      (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
>>          (_________________________)
>>           BT7 engine and disk brakes
>>
>>
>> 1967 MGB  [image: MG]
>>
>> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
>> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:24 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From the Anderson/Moment Restoration Guide:
>>>
>>> Page 75 (third column, first paragraph):  "The X-brace in front of the
>>> radiator was brush painted black (except on black cars0 so that it woul=
dn't
>>> be visible through the grille opening."
>>> Page 90 (third column, third paragraph):  "The lower lip of the rear
>>> shroud was brush-painted satin black over the body color, generally on =
all
>>> but black cars, probably to make the lower shroud lip less noticeable."
>>>
>>> Steve Byers
>>> HBJ8L/36666
>>> BJ8 Registry
>>> AHCA Delegate at Large
>>> Havelock, NC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>>> josef-eckert@t-online.de
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:26 AM
>>> To: healeys@autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Healeys] Black faces
>>>
>>> I read the following question recently on facebook, but no clear  answe=
r
>>> was given. Does anybody know, especially to the cross panel in front of=
 the
>>> radiator?
>>>
>>> Is it right that the lower lip on the rear shroud was painted
>>> (semigloss) black on 6 cylinder Austin-Healeys and the same was with th=
e
>>> cross panel front face in front of the radiator? Are there other body
>>> panels which are not just bolt on painted in black?
>>>
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Glad someone is paying attention ... obvi=
ously I&#39;m not..=F0=9F=98=9E</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:=
small">M<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On =
Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:31 PM Jean Caron &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vintage_roads=
ter_restoration@hotmail.com">vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ira,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It looks like you and Michael are talking about two =
different models here. Michael is giving you the references about the Austi=
n-Healey 100 and you own a BN4 which does not have the same front pieces.</=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Having said that, your car has only one=C2=A0 front =
=E2=80=9CX=E2=80=9D brace and yes it is painted black. As far as the =E2=80=
=9Cair intake Deflector is concerned, it is also painted black=C2=A0 as wel=
l as the brace at the bottom of it.
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The rear shroud bottom edge is also painted semi glo=
ss black, on some cars BJ8 it has been seen is glossy black. I do not have =
photos of this area but that is the area where your rear shroud meets the r=
ear floor, held by flat head rivets.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jean</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; on behalf of Michael Sal=
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:54:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> i erbs<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Black faces</font>
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Again from the Concours Guidelines. 2018 Edition Pg 91.<br>
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<br>
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<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)"><i>=C2=A0Double front X-braces immediate=
ly behind the grille are painted body color, except some white cars had thi=
s brace painted black 44.
<br>
=E2=80=A2 Front inner apron panels fastened to vertical division panels usi=
ng pan head Phillips screws and large flat washers, which were also painted=
 body color. Very early cars have been found to have only the horizontal pa=
nel and not the vertical one. In these cases
 where the vertical panel is missing, the two holes located on the front-to=
-back center portion of the panel are missing.=C2=A0 On OEW 100s where the =
engine compartment was painted black, these inner apron panels were also bl=
ack.</i></span></div>
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<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)"><i>44 If you find your car fits the exce=
ption document it and restore, as you believe it was.=C2=A0 Otherwise, pain=
t the braces body color.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 1:43 PM i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:eyera3000@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote=
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left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Can someone post a photo of the lip?
<div>My brace is painted blue, but everyone tells me to paint it black befo=
re I reinstall my grille... What about the air dam, should it be black or b=
ody color?<br clear=3D"all">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs
<div>Portland,OR</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______</=
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<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)</span></div>
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes</div>
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<div>1967 MGB =C2=A0<img alt=3D"MG" src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists=
.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg"></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:24 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com"; target=3D"_blank">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<=
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>From the Anderson/Moment Restoration Guide:<br>
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Page 75 (third column, first paragraph):=C2=A0 &quot;The X-brace in front o=
f the radiator was brush painted black (except on black cars0 so that it wo=
uldn&#39;t be visible through the grille opening.&quot;<br>
Page 90 (third column, third paragraph):=C2=A0 &quot;The lower lip of the r=
ear shroud was brush-painted satin black over the body color, generally on =
all but black cars, probably to make the lower shroud lip less noticeable.&=
quot;<br>
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Steve Byers<br>
HBJ8L/36666<br>
BJ8 Registry<br>
AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
Havelock, NC=C2=A0 <br>
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From: Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of
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To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@aut=
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Subject: [Healeys] Black faces<br>
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I read the following question recently on facebook, but no clear=C2=A0 answ=
er was given. Does anybody know, especially to the cross panel in front of =
the radiator?<br>
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Is it right that the lower lip on the rear shroud was painted (semigloss) b=
lack on 6 cylinder Austin-Healeys and the same was with the cross panel fro=
nt face in front of the radiator? Are there other body panels which are not=
 just bolt on painted in black?<br>
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