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Hi Bill,
The accumulators in all Austin Healeys actually have cast iron piston
rings, not "O" rings.
There are "O" rings between the accumulator cylinder and the overdrive body
but they seldom give problems.
The overdrive piston, rings and aluminium bore frequently become badly
scored and require replacement.
M
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 5:05 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com> wrote:
> The accumulator in the overdrives installed in Austin Healeys have a
> reduced bore size to moderate the force of the shift into OD. The bore
> sleeve or liner has rubber o-rings that seal the pressure in the
> accumulator bore. These o-rings deteriorate with time, heat, and use and
> then they allow oil to leak past the accumulator piston thus reducing the
> pressure that can be developed.
>
> To replace them you need to remove the side plate that holds the
> accumulator in place, place a dowel in the piston to hold it in place and
> pressurize the OD from the actuator port valve thus forcing the sleeve ou=
t
> so the o-rings can be replaced.
>
> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Bob Spidell
> <bspidell@comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 29, 2019 3:40 PM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] OD Good news Bad news
>
>
> Either the pump, actuating pistons or the accumulator. My guess would be
> the accumulator; mine still worked at 200K miles, but the cylinder was
> scored a little from the metal rings on the piston. The actuating piston=
s
> have rubber O-rings that wear so may not provide enough pressure to
> override the heavy springs that keep the OD a 'single shaft' when the it'=
s
> not operating. I believe the accumulator and pump can be replaced in sit=
u,
> but I've not done it. Or some combination of the three. If you end up
> replacing the accumulator I recommend the DWM 'uprated' one if you like
> crisp activation.
>
> Check: 1) pressure at the actuating valve port (should be over 400psi at
> speed, but I think it'll work as low as 350--not sure), 2) that the
> actuating shaft rises the correct distance--I believe it's 1/32"--when
> activated. If you have good pressure that rules out the pump. If you go=
t
> the DWM accumulator, and it wasn't the problem, at least you'll have a
> crisper OD when after you tear into it to replace the O-rings.
>
> I'm not surprised it disengages quickly; all the hydraulics are there to
> override the 8 heavy springs; the springs shouldn't fail (it's recommende=
d
> to replace them if you do a complete rebuild, though I'm not convinced it=
's
> entirely necessary unless the OD was slipping when engaged; I think it's =
a
> 'might as well while it's on the bench' thing).
>
> Bob
>
> ps. My stock accumulator still worked normally, and I kept it; if you
> want it I'll let it go for shipping cost.
>
>
> On 6/29/2019 7:20 AM, Warren wrote:
>
> Recently had the OD quit working. First time in 52 yrs. Luck? Removed
> tunnel and checked electrics and switches and solenoid seemed to work. So=
me
> hesitancy with solenoid at first. Replaced solenoid and interrupter switc=
h
> as these were original parts and with close to 200K on the car thought it
> prudent to do so. Tranny oil topped off regularly and drained and cleanou=
t
> of screen and magnets every two years. Using Redline MT90 for many years.
> Before that used ND 30wt.
>
>
>
> Now I got it to go into OD. Every time. *The good news**.* But it takes a
> loooong time. Many seconds. Just flip the switch at speed and =E2=80=9Cev=
entually=E2=80=9D
> it slowly slides into OD. Not crisp and instant like before.* The bad
> news*. It disengages normally as before. Flip, depress clutch slightly,
> blip accelerator.
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ve researched the archives as much as possible on all the forum=
s but am
> hesitant to proceed without forum\list wisdom.
>
>
>
> WD 67 BJ8
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Bill, <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">The a=
ccumulators in all Austin Healeys actually have cast iron piston rings, not=
"O" rings. <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">There are "O" ri=
ngs between the accumulator cylinder and the overdrive body but they seldom=
give problems.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comi=
c sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">The overdrive piston, rings and alumi=
nium bore frequently become badly scored and require replacement.</div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font=
-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:co=
mic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"> <br></=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 5:05 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:ynotink@msn.com">ynotink@msn.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
The accumulator in the overdrives installed in Austin Healeys have a reduce=
d bore size to moderate the force of the shift into OD. The bore sleeve or =
liner has rubber o-rings that seal the pressure in the accumulator bore. Th=
ese o-rings deteriorate with time,
heat, and use and then they allow oil to leak past the accumulator piston =
thus reducing the pressure that can be developed.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
To replace them you need to remove the side plate that holds the accumulato=
r in place, place a dowel in the piston to hold it in place and pressurize =
the OD from the actuator port valve thus forcing the sleeve out so the o-ri=
ngs can be replaced.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
Bill Lawrence</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
BN1 #554=C2=A0</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480appendonsend"></div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font sty=
le=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>Fro=
m:</b> Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Bob Spidell=
<<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">bspidell@com=
cast.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 29, 2019 3:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">heal=
eys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] OD Good news Bad news</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<p>Either the pump, actuating pistons or the accumulator.=C2=A0 My guess wo=
uld be the accumulator; mine still worked at 200K miles, but the cylinder w=
as scored a little from the metal rings on the piston.=C2=A0 The actuating =
pistons have rubber O-rings that wear so may
not provide enough pressure to override the heavy springs that keep the OD=
a 'single shaft' when the it's not operating.=C2=A0 I believe =
the accumulator and pump can be replaced in situ, but I've not done it.=
=C2=A0 Or some combination of the three.=C2=A0 If you end up replacing
the accumulator I recommend the DWM 'uprated' one if you like cris=
p activation.<br>
</p>
<p>Check: 1) pressure at the actuating valve port (should be over 400psi at=
speed, but I think it'll work as low as 350--not sure), 2) that the ac=
tuating shaft rises the correct distance--I believe it's 1/32"--wh=
en activated.=C2=A0 If you have good pressure that
rules out the pump.=C2=A0 If you got the DWM accumulator, and it wasn'=
t the problem, at least you'll have a crisper OD when after you tear in=
to it to replace the O-rings.</p>
<p>I'm not surprised it disengages quickly; all the hydraulics are ther=
e to override the 8 heavy springs; the springs shouldn't fail (it's=
recommended to replace them if you do a complete rebuild, though I'm n=
ot convinced it's entirely necessary unless the
OD was slipping when engaged; I think it's a 'might as well while =
it's on the bench' thing).<br>
</p>
<p>Bob</p>
<p>ps.=C2=A0 My stock accumulator still worked normally, and I kept it; if =
you want it I'll let it go for shipping cost.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_moz-cite-prefix">On 6/29/2019 7=
:20 AM, Warren wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_WordSection1">
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_MsoNormal">Recently had the OD qu=
it working. First time in 52 yrs. Luck? Removed tunnel and checked electric=
s and switches and solenoid seemed to work. Some hesitancy with solenoid at=
first. Replaced solenoid and interrupter switch as these were
original parts and with close to 200K on the car thought it prudent to do =
so. Tranny oil topped off regularly and drained and cleanout of screen and =
magnets every two years. Using Redline MT90 for many years. Before that use=
d ND 30wt.</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_MsoNormal">Now I got it to go int=
o OD. Every time. <b><u>The good news</u></b><u>.</u> But it takes a loooon=
g time. Many seconds. Just flip the switch at speed and =E2=80=9Ceventually=
=E2=80=9D it slowly slides into OD. Not crisp and instant like before.<b>
<u>The bad news</u></b>. It disengages normally as before. Flip, depress cl=
utch slightly, blip accelerator.</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ve researche=
d the archives as much as possible on all the forums but am hesitant to pro=
ceed without forum\list wisdom.</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_MsoNormal">WD=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A067 BJ8 </p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-7094427575546560480x_MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<br>
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