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but then again, that wouldn't explain the fuel leak to the ground.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Felts <Tomfelts@windstream.net>
To: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, 29 May 2020 07:10:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Running problem
body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:12pt; font-family:arial, helv=
etica, sans-serif;}Could be the "in-tank" sock fuel filter clogged up---hap=
pened to me years ago----VERY hard to find and I had to have the tank cut o=
pen to get to it---
----- Original Message -----
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, 29 May 2020 03:44:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Running problem
I notice you do not have a fuel filter installed. Fit one of the
cheap transparent plastic filters (still the best) in a visible
place in the fuel line to the carbs. Debris from the fuel tank may
have stuck a float valve and blocked a jet or a gauze filter
somewhere.Kees Oudesluijs
Op 29-5-2020 om 01:50 schreef Brian
Drab:
About 4 years ago I rebuilt my HD8
carbs and the car has run great since then with no
adjustments required or made.I put the car away for the winter in
about November last year.
In probably mid January I decided to
take the car out. It was a gorgeous day and I had to go to
the grocery store about a mile away. I started the car and
it ran fine. I noted that the gas gauge read between empty
and =C2=BC . I started of to the store, but I noticed an obvious
smell of raw gas when I was driving. When I got to the store
lot, I parked the car, did my shopping, and came back out.=20
When I turned the key, I now noticed that the gas gauge
moved up to dead on empty whi8ch on my car means you are
really out of gas!. When I started the car, I got about 100
feet when the fuel pump started hammering. I got another
couple of feet and the car ran out of gas. Fortunately, I
was just across the street from a gas station so I took my
trusty gas can, went over and filled it, then came back and
poured it in the gas tank. The car started up fine but began
running really rough. I went another =C2=BD block into another
store, parked the car and went inside. When I came back out
about 15 minutes later there was a pool of gas, about
2-3=E2=80=99wide, under the front of the car. I started the car and
it barely ran. I literally had to coax it home. It sounded
like severe fuel starvation =E2=80=93 running barely on about 3
cyclinders.There was no more smell of raw gas
nor any fuel leak as before.When I got home, I rapped the top of
the float bowls on each carb in caser it was a stuck float
valve. and it seemed to run a lot better. I felt at that
time that a float valve had stuck and probably siphoned the
fuel out of one of float bowls through the overflow tube.Fast forward 3 mo=
nths: Last night I was getting it ready to
take it on a bit of a road trip today it and when I took it
out, it ran very poorly =E2=80=93 again like fuel starvation but
not as bad as before. It also popped back through the carbs
frequently which I interpreted to be a very lean mixture I did the follow=
ing:put another 3 or 4 gallons of gas in
the tankTook the float bowls apart and
cleaned them out =E2=80=93 there was a bit of sediment in them but
nothing worthwhile. I also checked the floats which were
both leak free. I also cleaned out the float bowl filters at
the in line.
I checked the Gros float valves and
they seemed to work properly =E2=80=93 held upside down, they closed
and opened right side up.I disconnected the fuel line at the
fuel pump and blew air back into the tank thinking that when
it ran out of gas, sediment in the bottom of the tank may
have plugged the intake. It blew fine into the tank.
I have 2 fuel pumps on the car =E2=80=93 the
regular SU and a facet pump. I pulled of the fuel line at
the float bowl and turned on the ignition. The SU pump and
the facet pump each filled a coke bottle pretty quickly. I
did not measure pressure. The gas looked clear and pure. I
do not have a fuel line filter. I checked the plugs all seemed good
and were in fact burning on the lean side.
I pulled the distributor cap and it
was nice and clean inside with no sign of carbon tracks.
I have electronic ignition so there
is nothing I can check there.I checked the timing =E2=80=93 it was right
on. No matter what I did it didn=E2=80=99t make
an improvement.I replaced the Gros float valves but
it made no difference.Today I pulled the carbs (which on a
BJ8 is no easy task) I checked the diaphrams and both were
in good condition.
Now I am stumped.
Is it a fuel problem or something else? Can any one offer
any suggestions?Brian DrabVancouver B.C.
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<html><head><style> body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:12pt; font=
-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;}</style></head><body><div>but then ag=
ain, that wouldn't explain the fuel leak to the ground.</div><div><br></div=
><div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: Tom Felts <Tomfelts@windstre=
am.net><br>To: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl><br>Cc: heal=
eys@autox.team.net<br>Sent: Fri, 29 May 2020 07:10:13 -0400 (EDT)<br>Subjec=
t: Re: [Healeys] Running problem<br></div><div><br></div><style> body {heig=
ht: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:12pt; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans=
-serif;}</style><div>Could be the "in-tank" sock fuel filter clogged up---h=
appened to me years ago----VERY hard to find and I had to have the tank cut=
open to get to it---</div><div><br></div><div>----- Original Message -----=
<br>From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl><br>To: healeys@auto=
x.team.net<br>Sent: Fri, 29 May 2020 03:44:19 -0400 (EDT)<br>Subject: Re: [=
Healeys] Running problem<br></div><div><br></div><p>I notice you do not hav=
e a fuel filter installed. Fit one of the<br> cheap transparent plastic fil=
ters (still the best) in a visible<br> place in the fuel line to the carbs.=
Debris from the fuel tank may<br> have stuck a float valve and blocked a j=
et or a gauze filter<br> somewhere.</p><p>Kees Oudesluijs<br></p><p><br></p=
><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Op 29-5-2020 om 01:50 schreef Brian<br> Dra=
b:<br></div><blockquote cite=3D"mid:YQBPR0101MB0868D541F88A95E9DC92415EAB8E=
0@YQBPR0101MB0868.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D=
"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;"> </span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mc=
e-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color=
: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">About 4 years ago I rebuilt my H=
D8<br> carbs and the car has run great since then with no<br> adjustments r=
equired or made.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .=
0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-=
height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black=
;">I put the car away for the winter in<br> about November last year.<br></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-heigh=
t: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><sp=
an style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">In probably mid=
January I decided to<br> take the car out. It was a gorgeous day and I had=
to go to<br> the grocery store about a mile away. I started the car and<br=
> it ran fine. I noted that the gas gauge read between empty<br> and =C2=BC=
. I started of to the store, but I noticed an obvious<br> smell of raw gas=
when I was driving. When I got to the store<br> lot, I parked the car, did=
my shopping, and came back out. <br> When I turned the key, I now not=
iced that the gas gauge<br> moved up to dead on empty whi8ch on my car mean=
s you are<br> really out of gas!. When I started the car, I got about 100<b=
r> feet when the fuel pump started hammering. I got another<br> couple of f=
eet and the car ran out of gas. Fortunately, I<br> was just across the stre=
et from a gas station so I took my<br> trusty gas can, went over and filled=
it, then came back and<br> poured it in the gas tank. The car starte=
d up fine but began<br> running really rough. I went another =C2=BD block i=
nto another<br> store, parked the car and went inside. When I came ba=
ck out<br> about 15 minutes later there was a pool of gas, about<br> 2-3=E2=
=80=99wide, under the front of the car. I started the car and<br> it barely=
ran. I literally had to coax it home. It sounded<br> like severe fuel star=
vation =E2=80=93 running barely on about 3<br> cyclinders.</span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-=
mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"col=
or: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">There was no more smell of raw=
gas<br> nor any fuel leak as before.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-b=
ottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-=
style=3D"color: black;">When I got home, I rapped the top of<br> the float =
bowls on each carb in caser it was a stuck float<br> valve. and it seemed t=
o run a lot better. I felt at that<br> time that a float valve had stuck an=
d probably siphoned the<br> fuel out of one of float bowls through the over=
flow tube.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt=
; line-height: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height=
: 115%;"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">Fas=
t forward 3 months: </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-botto=
m: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; l=
ine-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: b=
lack;">Last night I was getting it ready to<br> take it on a bit of a road =
trip today it and when I took it<br> out, it ran very poorly =E2=80=
=93 again like fuel starvation but<br> not as bad as before. It also popped=
back through the carbs<br> frequently which I interpreted to be a ve=
ry lean mixture </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .=
0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-=
height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black=
;">I did the following:</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bo=
ttom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt=
; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color=
: black;">put another 3 or 4 gallons of gas in<br> the tank</span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data=
-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"co=
lor: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">Took the float bowls apart an=
d<br> cleaned them out =E2=80=93 there was a bit of sediment in them but<br=
> nothing worthwhile. I also checked the floats which were<br> both leak fr=
ee. I also cleaned out the float bowl filters at<br> the in line.<br></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 1=
15%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span s=
tyle=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">I checked the Gros =
float valves and<br> they seemed to work properly =E2=80=93 held upside dow=
n, they closed<br> and opened right side up.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"m=
argin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color: black;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"color: black;">I disconnected the fuel line at the<br> fuel=
pump and blew air back into the tank thinking that when<br> it ran out of =
gas, sediment in the bottom of the tank may<br> have plugged the intake. It=
blew fine into the tank.<br></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mar=
gin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .=
0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"color: black;">I have 2 fuel pumps on the car =E2=80=93 the<br> regular SU=
and a facet pump. I pulled of the fuel line at<br> the float bowl and turn=
ed on the ignition. The SU pump and<br> the facet pump each filled a coke b=
ottle pretty quickly. I<br> did not measure pressure. The gas looked =
clear and pure. I<br> do not have a fuel line filter. </span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mc=
e-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color=
: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">I checked the plugs all seemed g=
ood<br> and were in fact burning on the lean side.<br></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mc=
e-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color=
: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">I pulled the distributor cap and=
it<br> was nice and clean inside with no sign of carbon tracks.<br></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 11=
5%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span st=
yle=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">I have electro=
nic ignition so there<br> is nothing I can check there.</span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mc=
e-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color=
: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">I checked the timing =E2=80=93 i=
t was right<br> on. </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-botto=
m: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; l=
ine-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: b=
lack;">No matter what I did it didn=E2=80=99t make<br> an improvement.</spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: =
115%;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span =
style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">I replaced the Gro=
s float valves but<br> it made no difference.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;" data-mce-style=3D"=
margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style=3D"color: black;" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"color: black;">Today I pulled the carbs (which on a<br> BJ=
8 is no easy task) I checked the diaphrams and both were<br> in good =
condition.<br></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black=
;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">Now I am stumped.<br> Is it a fuel prob=
lem or something else? Can any one offer<br> any suggestions?</span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"color: =
black;">Brian Drab</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: b=
lack;" data-mce-style=3D"color: black;">Vancouver B.C.</span></p></div><br>=
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