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To: Chris Dimmock <austin.healey@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night rant.
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:14:00 -0500
Cc: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
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A pair of FIAMM or equivalent air horns and the compressor for same fits
nicely onto the front face of the passenger toe box of my 100, produces a
loud and pleasant signal and consumes very little power.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 7:44 AM Chris Dimmock <austin.healey@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Lucas horns are the crowns of the prince of darkness.
> I love most Lucas stuff.
> Except Lucas Horns.
> Devils stuff.
> The Lucas horn in my A40 Farina weighs 2.5 Kg.
> Waste of everything
>
>
>
> On 20 Jan 2021, at 5:02 pm, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF Man, those horns take a lot of juice. That's about the total
> output--25A, give or take--of a stock generator (maybe less at idle).
>
> Anybody ever laid on the horns with the lights on?
>
>
>
> On 1/19/2021 7:53 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote:
>
> The Brown/Green wire is the power supply for the horn. The brown wire is
> connected to an unswitched power source, the A contact on the regulator.
>
> The wires are correct as is the 50 amp Lucas slow blow fuse. Ref: AH 100
> Service Manual.
>
> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>
> <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Bob Spidell
> <bspidell@comcast.net> <bspidell@comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:51 PM
> *To:* john harper <ah100tech@gmail.com> <ah100tech@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night rant.
>
> Nope. All wires were otherwise accounted-for; two were 'cross-colored.'
> The harness was brand new; I don't know of any that supply extra wiring f=
or
> separate turn signals, but I haven't looked (would be a good idea, though=
).
> bs
>
> On 1/19/2021 9:05 AM, john harper wrote:
>
> Bob
> Could it be a wrong wire or an additional one?
>
> I and many others in the UK feel that with just two red lights coming on
> is very confusing particularly as one enters a corner and brakes. This
> confusing array is therefore dangerous. In the UK amber turn lights have
> been mandatory for many years. Younger drivers would not
> understand anything but amber.
>
> The mod we make for the back of the car is to add amber lights connected
> on the existing wires but connect both red stoplights to this additional
> wire. At the relay box, all is needed is one wire being redirected to the
> new wire.
>
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 16:10, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> I feel your pain. My dad got a new harness for our BN2 (probably from
> Moss). I thought the harness was good quality overall, and everything
> worked except the turn signals. I spent 3 days double-checking everything=
;
> we went so far as to open the relay box, but everything looked good in
> there. I eventually discovered the wiring to one of the rear brake/turn
> lights was mis-colored. This really pissed me off, as I'd wired a bare
> chassis just from the schematic and it would have been 100% correct if no=
t
> for the misidentified wire. I'll probably never sell the car, but whoever
> ends up with it will be confused, as a couple of wires are interchanged
> from the schematic. Come to think of it, I should probably label the flaw
> ... as soon as I finish all the other stuff needs fixin'.
>
> Bob
>
> On 1/18/2021 11:38 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:
>
> Was in the engine bay doing some preliminary wiring of components
> tonight.  Specifically, the fuse block and the voltage regulator.  Lookin=
g
> at a wiring diagram, the way you see in the two pictures is mostly correc=
t,
> but look at what the arrows are pointing at.  At the point in the harness
> where the wires come out of the loom for the fuse block, you can see on t=
he
> right hand side the arrow is pointing to a brown wire with a green stripe=
.
> Good so far.  Now look what the arrow is pointing at on the other side of
> the fuse block.  It's a large solid brown wire.  Now in the wiring diagra=
m
> this brown wire is supposed to be a continuation of the brown with a gree=
n
> stripe wire.  That brown wire with the green strip that was supposed to b=
e
> there goes to the "A" connection of the voltage regulator.  Now look at t=
he
> picture of the voltage regulator and notice what the orange arrow is
> pointing at. It is the other end of the plain, large brown wire!  The
> electrical connections are correct.  The color coding of the harness is
> not.  I have just started wiring.  What else might I find in the rest of
> the harness?  This harness was a gift from my late friend Tom Rocke.  It
> was one of many free parts he supplied for this rebuild.  Don't know if I
> should complain about a free harness.
> Mike MacLean
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">A pai=
r of FIAMM or equivalent air horns and the compressor for same fits nicely =
onto the front=C2=A0face of the passenger toe box of=C2=A0my 100, produces =
a loud and pleasant signal and consumes very little power.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 20, 202=
1 at 7:44 AM Chris Dimmock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:austin.healey@gmail.com";>a=
ustin.healey@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Lucas horns are th=
e crowns of the prince of darkness.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">I love most=
 Lucas stuff.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Except Lucas Horns.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Devils stuff.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">The Lucas horn in =
my A40 Farina weighs 2.5 Kg.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Waste of everythin=
g=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 20 Jan 2021, at 5:02 pm, Bob Spid=
ell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">bspidell@=
comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
 =20
   =20
 =20
 =20
    Man, those horns take a lot of juice. That&#39;s about the total
    output--25A, give or take--of a stock generator (maybe less at
    idle).<br>
    <br>
    Anybody ever laid on the horns with the lights on? <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 1/19/2021 7:53 PM, WILLIAM B
      LAWRENCE wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        The Brown/Green wire is the power supply for the horn. The brown
        wire is connected to an unswitched power source, the A contact
        on the regulator.</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        The wires are correct as is the 50 amp Lucas slow blow fuse.
        Ref: AH 100 Service Manual.</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        Bill Lawrence</div>
      <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        BN1 #554</div>
      <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
      <div id=3D"gmail-m_-8226661001177326256divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><fo=
nt style=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000">=
<b>From:</b>
          Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a> on behalf of
          Bob Spidell <a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">&lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:51 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> john harper <a href=3D"mailto:ah100tech@gmail.com"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">&lt;ah100tech@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Cc:</b> Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night rant.</font>
        <div>=C2=A0</div>
      </div>
      <div>Nope. All wires were otherwise accounted-for; two were
        &#39;cross-colored.&#39; The harness was brand new; I don&#39;t kno=
w of any
        that supply extra wiring for separate turn signals, but I
        haven&#39;t looked (would be a good idea, though).<br>
        bs<br>
        <br>
        <div>On 1/19/2021 9:05 AM, john harper
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
          <div dir=3D"ltr">Bob
            <div>Could it be a wrong wire or an additional one?</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I and many others in the UK feel that with just two red
              lights coming on is very confusing particularly as one
              enters a corner and brakes. This confusing=C2=A0array is
              therefore dangerous. In the UK amber turn=C2=A0lights have be=
en
              mandatory for many years. Younger drivers would=C2=A0not
              understand=C2=A0anything but amber.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>The mod we make for the back of the car is to add amber
              lights connected on the existing wires but connect both
              red stoplights to this additional wire. At the relay box,
              all is needed is one wire being redirected to the new
              wire.</div>
          </div>
          <br>
          <div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at
              16:10, Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net=
" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div>Michael,<br>
                <br>
                I feel your pain. My dad got a new harness for our BN2
                (probably from Moss). I thought the harness was good
                quality overall, and everything worked except the turn
                signals. I spent 3 days double-checking everything; we
                went so far as to open the relay box, but everything
                looked good in there. I eventually discovered the wiring
                to one of the rear brake/turn lights was mis-colored.
                This really pissed me off, as I&#39;d wired a bare chassis
                just from the schematic and it would have been 100%
                correct if not for the misidentified wire. I&#39;ll probabl=
y
                never sell the car, but whoever ends up with it will be
                confused, as a couple of wires are interchanged from the
                schematic. Come to think of it, I should probably label
                the flaw ... as soon as I finish all the other stuff
                needs fixin&#39;.<br>
                <br>
                Bob<br>
                <br>
                <div>On 1/18/2021 11:38 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                  <div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">Was in the engine bay doing some
                      preliminary wiring of components tonight.=C2=A0
                      Specifically, the fuse block and the voltage
                      regulator.=C2=A0 Looking at a wiring diagram, the way
                      you see in the two pictures is mostly correct, but
                      look at what the arrows are pointing at.=C2=A0 At the
                      point in the harness where the wires come out of
                      the loom for the fuse block, you can see on the
                      right hand side the arrow is pointing to a brown
                      wire with a green stripe.=C2=A0 Good so far.=C2=A0 No=
w look
                      what the arrow is pointing at on the other side of
                      the fuse block.=C2=A0 It&#39;s a large solid brown wi=
re.=C2=A0
                      Now in the wiring diagram this brown wire is
                      supposed to be a continuation of the brown with a
                      green stripe wire.=C2=A0 That brown wire with the gre=
en
                      strip that was supposed to be there goes to the
                      &quot;A&quot; connection of the voltage regulator.=C2=
=A0 Now look
                      at the picture of the voltage regulator and notice
                      what the orange arrow is pointing at. It is the
                      other end of the plain, large brown wire!=C2=A0 The
                      electrical connections are correct.=C2=A0 The color
                      coding of the harness is not.=C2=A0 I have just start=
ed
                      wiring.=C2=A0 What else might I find in the rest of t=
he
                      harness?=C2=A0 This harness was a gift from my late
                      friend Tom Rocke.=C2=A0 It was one of many free parts
                      he supplied for this rebuild.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t know if=
 I
                      should complain about a free harness.</div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <br>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </div>
              <br>
            </blockquote>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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